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08-06-2013, 04:34 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Kat
Trailer: 13' scamp
Minnesota
Posts: 19
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Scamp tires ?
So I've been slowly prepping for the first trip with our new to us 1980 scamp. Needless to say I'm thinking I need a new spare and may need main tires - yet they have no standard size on them besides B78- 13 st and the tire place I called seems clueless . Any help would be great : ) thank you - I did read one past post but the link it Listed is not current : (
Kat from MN
Off to WI in 4 days
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08-06-2013, 05:26 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
Posts: 5,112
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LOL.......I took a B78 tire into Costco and the kid was baffled. I guess the tire was older than him.
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08-06-2013, 05:40 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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I think any place where the staff don't understand the tire size B78-13 should be considered just a store where things can be purchased, not a source of expertise at all. I would ignore anything they say.
This is a common question: try using the Google search tool in this forum for "B78-13" (no spaces in that size designation) and you'll find several relevant discussions.
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08-06-2013, 05:43 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2002 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 3,640
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Tractor supply sells trailer tires already mounted on nice white rims at a great price.
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08-06-2013, 05:45 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Chuck
Trailer: tp
Washington
Posts: 649
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Try size 185R13. B78 is a bias tire you want radials for best towing. Try for 4 or 6 ply.
Chuck
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08-06-2013, 05:55 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Steve
Trailer: Scamp 13
California
Posts: 1,890
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08-06-2013, 06:12 PM
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Moderator
Name: RogerDat
Trailer: 2010 Scamp 16
Michigan
Posts: 3,744
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stevebaz
this is the tires I have on my 1986 Scamp 13.
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That is a pretty good price. On tires that fit my Scamp 13
You can get tires that will "work" at wally mart for $40 but I don't think I would use them for long trips.
On the other hand don't travel far enough to justify more expensive $100 radial tires since for safety I have to replace them due to age deterioration in about 5 years. With a whole lot of that expensive tread still left.
Something in the middle at $66 looks like it hits my sweet spot. Thanks
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08-06-2013, 06:25 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Class A Motorhome
Posts: 7,912
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I suspect that those B78's are so old that to replace or not replace is a moot point.
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08-06-2013, 06:33 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp
Posts: 7,056
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The Scamp Trailer factory is pretty close to you. Call them and ask what they recommend for size. You could even buy your tires and probably new rims from Scamp.
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Byron & Anne enjoying the everyday Saturday thing.
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08-06-2013, 06:37 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FTTRV
Try size 185R13
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Much more likely 185/80R13.
Since almost any currently available 13" ST tire will be larger than the B78-13, going as small as is readily available makes for the easiest fit.
Goodyear Marathons, Maxxis M8008, and Carlisle radials all start at ST175/80R13.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FTTRV
Try for 4 or 6 ply.
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Equivalent ply ratings are obsolete, although still sometimes listed. "4 ply rating" is load range B, and that's the lowest load range available in almost any kind of tire for roadgoing vehicles. "6 ply rating" is load range C, and that's the lowest load range available in some trailer tire sizes; even higher may be available but would be pointless. The load capacity of any tire is shown on the tire and in spec sheets; an ST185/80R13 has 1200 pounds per tire capacity (1100 pounds in a ST175/80R13) even in load range B, which is enough for the heaviest Scamp 13.
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08-06-2013, 06:49 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Kat
Trailer: 13' scamp
Minnesota
Posts: 19
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Great info. The spare is in sad shape and will be first to replace . Can't get a pair of what I want in for the trip so they may have to make it just a bit further : ) or maybe a on the road switch closer to
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08-06-2013, 07:01 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Kat
Trailer: 13' scamp
Minnesota
Posts: 19
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Opps - closer to the cities : )
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08-06-2013, 07:05 PM
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Moderator
Name: RogerDat
Trailer: 2010 Scamp 16
Michigan
Posts: 3,744
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Screaminge
Great info. The spare is in sad shape and will be first to replace . Can't get a pair of what I want in for the trip so they may have to make it just a bit further : ) or maybe a on the road switch closer to
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Look for a date stamp on those tires. Typically a month and year pressed into the tires often on the inward facing side.
Tires rot with age from the inside out. Does not matter what they look like. New in the warehouse they would be junk at six years of sitting on a shelf in a box.
Five to six years is pretty much the max most information says is safe, some advocate four to five years. Tire stores will refuse to mount after a certain number of years (don't recall what it is off hand) because it's just unsafe from age and they would be liable if they installed the tire.
I think it was Goodyear that said on their site that a trailer tire loses about 10 percent of its strength and durability every year. I would take new $40 tires over "expired" tires. Keep the best you have for a spare and figure it's only good to limp to a tire store if it is outdated.
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08-06-2013, 07:09 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Class A Motorhome
Posts: 7,912
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Ha.... I'll almost bet that any tires you buy at the Scamp factory are a) Fleet Priced (Meaning cheap tires) and Already well over a year old.....
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08-06-2013, 07:11 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Sure, replace them, if only because Bob is right and anything marked "B78-13" is ancient. On the other hand, I wouldn't panic about the six-year thing; ask anyone with a collector car that gets driven only occasionally if they buy new tires every six years, and if they have ever heard of a tire failure due to age...
... but I think new would almost certainly be prudent in this case.
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Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
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08-06-2013, 07:26 PM
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Moderator
Name: RogerDat
Trailer: 2010 Scamp 16
Michigan
Posts: 3,744
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If you need to travel to get to a location where you have a decent selection of tire stores just really take it slow. And make sure you have a jack, lug wrench and air in the spare.
Heat is what will cause a tire to fail, faster you drive, hotter the tire gets.
I have a pair of Dunlop K71's on my 1966 triumph motorcycle, the tire went out of production about 1971. As Brian said it still works despite it's age But the most strain it will see is if I putt the couple of miles to town on the two lane. No way I'm hitting highway speeds or taking those on a road trip. I don't heal as well as I used to.
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08-06-2013, 09:23 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Paul
Trailer: '07 Scamp 16' SD
Wisconsin
Posts: 110
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The factory tires on my 16' scamp were 175-70r13. They were replace by the PO with 185-70r13. I have plenty of clearance, but our axle was just replaced last year
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08-06-2013, 09:35 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Kat
Trailer: 13' scamp
Minnesota
Posts: 19
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Grrrr that's a good point - height !!! The axel was replaced in 1998 and I feel spring still but hate to put new tires and then find out I need to deal with the height . More to think about : (
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08-06-2013, 11:38 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Leonard
Trailer: not yet
California
Posts: 151
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Recently I was at a Wheel Works tire center, looking for trailer tires. They didn't have any, but I got this great piece of advice from the nice young man behind the counter:
"You know, we sell mostly passenger tires here, and trailers take special tires. Passenger tires roll too well. If you put them on a trailer, the trailer might speed up and run into you.".
I told him I'd keep that in mind.
Keeping a straight face was hard.
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