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Old 10-15-2012, 10:06 PM   #29
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That is the reason I went eggless for now. I wanted Casita only and they are not in Mn for sale often. I gave up after looking for about 9 months. If I lived in the southern states, I would have my egg, but they are few and far between up north, and as you say, not to the standards you and I are looking for. I am not driving across the country for a lemon. I am hoping you will find one in time. The last one I looked at had been rolled and they guy did not say a word until I pointed it out. Good ones go fast.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:30 AM   #30
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After spending some time in the auto sales industry (many years ago), I came to the conclusion that there are honest sellers and there are successful sellers - but there are no successful honest sellers.

Add to that the points noted above about what I find to be "excellent condition" and what YOU find to be "excellent" (or even "tolerable") condition are seldom the same.

I have always found that only time any of my stuff is actually clean (house/car/trailer) is when I am selling it. THEN it gets thoroughly detailed etc. Otherwise, while it will be mechanically serviced MUCH better than "normal" or "recommended" it may go years (literally) sans getting washed etc. If I list something for sale, you may be assured that (at that point in time) it is clean, spotless, professionally detailed inside & out, odor free and appearing to be 100% new and unused.

People will buy "clean", but have no concept of how to look for "mechanically sound".

People will spend 3 weeks looking for a new pair of jeans, but will buy a new car "because it is blue" or will buy a trailer because it is clean.

Otherwise - repeat after me (or write on the blackboard 100 times! )
"There is NO SUCH THING as a fully honest seller!"

After doing a LOT of research, it can be said that "it works too well" and "it is too nice" have never been legitimate reasons for selling something.

Well remind me never to buy a trailer from you Dave!

This attitude while certainly not completely out of line is also hardly the Gospel either.

There seems to be in general a near total breakdown in the craft of "Selling" everything as a respectable and desired undertaking.
The notion that all sellers are either successful or dishonest is simply a load of crap although I can't argue that most sellers these days do not care or understand why they should.

Sales is Work and we have gotten too lazy to do the work it seems.

You can sell by either selling on price and lies or you can build value and "Make the Sale" as it really should be.
In the last case the sale can benefit both parties and all come away happy,it takes some work though and most sellers these days seem to think the item should sell itself even if it is not worth it. This is where the trouble is these days in my opinion.

Demonstrating the features and building the value of an item through a deliberate and careful presentation is what it takes to make a good sale and the buyer then sees his objections met and his fears of purchase go away.

It is not "Rocket Science" but it is work.

I have been in sales for 35 years and mostly selling items that no one really needs although not always. The first thing I can do wrong is to get lazy and not tell the truth no matter how bad it may seem to be.
All good salesmen know this and those who do and are in it for the long haul have to become skilled at walking a tightrope between giving it away and being honest and still earning a sale.

Lying will always come back to get you in some way.

How many of us have bought anything lately and had the seller even bother to clean or prepare it in any small way to ready it for sale?
Somehow the idea that things should be as we would want them to have a chance of being sold has vanished and people just don't seem to remember or understand that there is some real effort required to sell and be a repeat seller?

One of the advantages of selling here is supposed to be the sense of community built here so that we might expect a more honest and forthright transaction from start to finish and it is each of our responsibilities to do our part to foster that good will and positive experience as we go along. There are not a lot of trailers for sale though so we are tempted to search everywhere and often end up outside of the slightly safer confines of our little circle where the seller has nothing obvious to lose by lying or not caring but if we do our homework well enough we can also get deals out there,I know I have.

The last trailer I sold was not ready for sale and I was determined to remain a trustworthy seller here as I have worked to become. I was contacted by a Buyer and pretty much talked into the sale even with the stipulation that it was not in selling condition from the start and I feel like I went as far as I knew how to be revealing and honest about its condition in detail.

There were items on it that I had never used or tried and really didn't know the condition of and I said so. Other items needed attention and some did not but I said what I knew and I think in the end both of us were satisfied with the deal.
Some have suggested that it is not possible to have a rig and not know the status of some of its systems but I can assure you that is also not the case.

I bring all this up because to paint all Sellers with the same brush just is not right no matter how your experience has been. People are all different and there are still good deals out there to be had and friends to be made.

Time just takes Time.

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Old 10-16-2012, 08:33 AM   #31
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Good post Ed. This line stuck a chord. I usually know far more about what I am buying than the seller does. Case in point, when I bought my truck the salesman told me it had a continuously variable transmission. Nissan was putting them in all the cars so the trucks must have them too! Raz
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:52 AM   #32
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kootenaigirl, it must be pretty common. When we were looking I talked to a woman who told me her Casita was in excellent condition. She added, "We are retired and take very good care of our things."

So we jumped in the truck right after I hung up the phone and drove 5 hours -- to discover that the trailer stank of mold, latches were broken, and the floor was so soft that my feet sank down into it.

We were just sick. That's when I decided I wasn't going to drive on any more long wild goose chases looking for a good used egg.

Very fortunately our Casita became available a short time later -- just 25 miles from our house. It had a few problems, but I have most of them fixed and will do a couple more projects on it when I feel energetic enough -- maybe next year.

We are delighted with our little Casita. I sure hope you are as fortunate in finding a good egg near you soon. It's one of the most desperate, hopeless feelings when your trailer hunt goes wrong. But there really are good ones out there.

Wishing you the very best in finding yours!
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:28 AM   #33
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I'm going out this very minute to look at a rare White Yak egg and maybe pick up a pot o gold or two on the way. I haven't been to Raretania before but am hopeful the egg ain't broken and the rainbows plentiful [sound of cheerful whistling].

Moral: No one is better at taking advantage of me than I am.

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Old 10-16-2012, 01:22 PM   #34
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Ummm, I sold my teardrop. Before listing it, I cleaned it better than my house. I used a toothbrush on the storage shelf. The cabinets and shelf were white so showed some stains from being used. I got the stains out, and then, after 5 days, the first people to look at it drove quite a ways and bought it for the price I asked.

It isn't always bad. They got a good little trailer.

I gave up, for now, on finding a fiberglass trailer. I bought a used A-frame fold up trailer until I save up enough for a new fiberglass trailer. I live in a very out of the way location which usually means by the time I go to look at a used trailer, if it is good, it is gone.

The A Frame was 3 hours away and in a consignment lot. I've used it 10 days the first month, and it seems to be all they said.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:26 PM   #35
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"I live in a very out of the way location which usually means by the time I go to look at a used trailer, if it is good, it is gone."
Maybe we should come to your house to camp if it is that far off the beaten path!!
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:07 PM   #36
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When I sell something, I post all the info I have on the item.
My Ad for my SOLD 13' Scamp
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:29 PM   #37
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Unfortunately this doesn't just pertain to camping trailers, as I went through a similar experience with a truck I was looking for. I was lucky that it wasn't that far away from home when I looked it over. It all worked out in the end found a descent one after looking and looking . Don't worry you will get a nice one if you keep looking.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:01 AM   #38
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"I live in a very out of the way location which usually means by the time I go to look at a used trailer, if it is good, it is gone."
Maybe we should come to your house to camp if it is that far off the beaten path!!
A group came very close. They camped at Taidnapam, which I can never spell, but is just down the road a bit.

My friends and I say we live where other people come to get away from it all.

But it can be a hassle when you need something other than basic. Like trailer buying. Or clothing other than what is called, rigging clothes. One has to travel at least an hour for a lot of things.

The people that bought my trailer had at least a 6 hour day. They lived in a metropolitan area.
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:17 PM   #39
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With so many people from all over the country, Canada & USA, perhaps there could be some kind of help from members. If a person on, eg the mainland of BC sees a trailer for sale on Vancouver Island, they could contact a person from the forum on Vancouver Island, pay them a nominal fee to go and look at the trailer, take pictures, do an inspection and report back to the prospective customer. This would save the prospective owner travelling a long way at a great expense. Just an idea. Jim
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With so many people from all over the country, Canada & USA, perhaps there could be some kind of help from members. If a person on, eg the mainland of BC sees a trailer for sale on Vancouver Island, they could contact a person from the forum on Vancouver Island, pay them a nominal fee to go and look at the trailer, take pictures, do an inspection and report back to the prospective customer. This would save the prospective owner travelling a long way at a great expense. Just an idea. Jim
This has been discussed in prior threads and there are pro and con scenarios. Is there any legal obligation in making this opinion, what if the member fails to see a fault, different members will see different issues. "Condition " is such an ambiguous definition. On the other hand, if each party agrees there is no obligation in expressing their opinion, it could be helpful in some cases.
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:26 PM   #41
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I have went an looked at a few trailers for forum members, I give my honest opinion and take lot's of pics. But my opinion of a trailer is just that, my opinion. A couple I recommened that they not buy or at least not at the sellers asking price. I can only give my opinion as to what I see. Always try to look at it from, would I buy it? But in the end, it's just my opinion!
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:20 PM   #42
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I think an honest, third person, opinion is very valuable. The person giving that opinion may not share the same priorities as me, but since they don't have any personal interest, they also are more objective then the seller can possibly be. I would gladly take a look at a trailer in Calgary for someone. Of course I just love to window shop.
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