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View Poll Results: What traction do you prefer?
Wouldn't be caught in the snow without 4wd. 7 23.33%
Chains don't bother me, I have 2wd and chains 7 23.33%
I have never used chains on any car in the snow. 12 40.00%
I have 4wd, but put chains on all wheels and all the way around the body of the car. 1 3.33%
4wd drive means I can do 70 in the snow without crashing. 1 3.33%
I have studded tires, yer all insane! 2 6.67%
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Old 11-25-2005, 09:59 PM   #15
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That reminds me, I need to install that liquor cabinet so I can get plowed while waiting for the plow.

OK, which one of you smarty pants thinks you can do 70 in the snow? I will be avoiding your state in the winter. :

There is only ONE person that tows that can do that and get away with it....
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:21 AM   #16
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Ah, yes... beautiful Bakersfield. I remember spending a week there one night.... :l31

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Old 11-28-2005, 12:59 PM   #17
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I never towed in the snow (other than once and it was quite by accident), but did live in cold country for a few years. I had chains in both the car and the truck. I never used 'em on either one. Found out that snow is easy to drive in (if careful), ice is a whole other ballgame. The car was front wheel drive and the truck 4 wheel. 4W drive on ice is a major . The veterans of the area also told us NEVER to use 4W in snow until you got stuck. It was for getting out, not getting in so far you couldn't get out. ... and they were right!
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Old 11-28-2005, 02:09 PM   #18
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...The veterans of the area also told us NEVER to use 4W in snow until you got stuck. It was for getting out, not getting in so far you couldn't get out. ... and they were right!
The problem with traditional 4WD systems, now generally known as "part-time" because they can be engaged and disengaged, is that they have no differential between front and rear axles. With this system, the front and rear axles are forced to turn at the same speed, resisting the higher front axle speed needed to turn, so this system is not suitable for dry pavement, and will cause steering problems on any low-traction surface.

A modern 4WD system, including both advanced truck systems and the designs which are typically called "all wheel drive", allows speed difference between the wheels and is intended for use at all times, especially in low-traction conditions. Preventing wheelspin by distributing drive force helps to maintain control.

The operator of any vehicle needs to understand the correct operation of their particular system. "Veterans" as infamous for declaring "truths" that do not apply to situations other than those with which they are familar. I would prefer to adjust to conditions, use the equipment properly, and not get stuck; rather than drive the same way in 2WD, get stuck (possibly colliding with another vehicle or a solid object in the process) then try to get out.

The "use it to get out, not to get into more trouble" philosophy probably applies better to winches; once you get in somewhere with the help of a winch and can't move anymore, what's next?
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Old 11-28-2005, 02:54 PM   #19
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Sorry for the confusion. This was not meant about AWD, of course, but my truck had to be shifted into 4WD. They told me not to shift it into 4WD until it was needed. And, of course, it was for the areas in which they were native: Wyoming (Tetons, Devil's tower, etc) Nebraska, Colorado and those areas. Some where cowboys that toted their horse trailers with them. I don't recall if they used chains or not, but I don't think they did.

You are right, of course. It doesn't apply to all areas. Sorry 'bout that.
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Old 11-28-2005, 03:02 PM   #20
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... but it was advice that served us very well when we were hunting, gathering firewood, and looking for just that perfect Christmas tree up in the Rockies in December.
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Old 11-28-2005, 03:03 PM   #21
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Ah, yes... beautiful Bakersfield. I remember spending a week there one night....
Ah, yes, I can relate. [b]BUT, for readers of the FGRV forum only, I will share with you a closely guarded secret camp spot, not far from Bakersfield: Buena Vista (or Webb) Lake. You'd probably only want to go there in the winter, when the rates and temperatures are much lower. Hook ups, on the lake, wake up with the mist rising off the water ... really very pretty and totally non-Bakersfield. Since this is off topic I'll stop here: Buena Vista. Just don't tell anybody

Re: 4WD: I often use 4WD on hilly, twisty gravel roads, not because I'm likely to get stuck but because it reduces wheel spin and tire wear. On the very few occasions I am in sand, yes, I can often go quite a ways before I bog down. But if the "bog" is a batch of really fluffy sand and the "down" part is axle deep, it might be a tad late to go 4WD. And I don't have a winch...
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Old 11-28-2005, 03:54 PM   #22
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Dan,

Minnesota may be snow country but its flat. When you go off the road you're in someone's field. In the mountains when you go off the road you go down for miles. And I think that might hurt a lot.
I remember leaving Yellowstone from the East entrance and looking down and thinking I was glad it was July. ( still had snow over 7500 ft though.) That was the scariest piece of skinny road I was ever on.
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Old 11-28-2005, 09:07 PM   #23
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Pjanits said:
"Minnesota may be snow country but its flat...."

Parts of Minnesota are table flat; however there are a surprising number of large hills, usually near river valleys, but also in towns like Saint Paul and Duluth. There are no drop offs where you will starve to death before hitting bottom (like in Colorado), but the hills can be tricky when slippery none the less.

When the going gets really tough around here (for example, the blizzard tonight in northwestern Minnesota) some of the main roads (I-94 and MN 210) are closed to all traffic, chains or not.

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Old 11-29-2005, 10:36 AM   #24
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Re: 4WD: I can often go quite a ways before I bog down. But if the "bog" is a batch of really fluffy sand and the "down" part is axle deep, it might be a tad late to go 4WD. And I don't have a winch...

Yes, yes, Bill... you're right on. I recall some wise old sage once told me (as he was tooling around the desert in his 2wd '67 Ford pickup) "the only thing 4WD does for you is makes the places you get stuck really expensive for the tow trucks to tow you out."

I've never forgotten that!

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...some wise old sage once told me (as he was tooling around the desert in his 2wd '67 Ford pickup)...
A friend of mine used to tour the forestry roads of interior British Columbia in his (rear wheel drive) Datsun 510. He enjoyed watching the 4x4 trucks get stuck on the same roads that he drove through; the difference was that he chose his path wisely, while the truck "drivers" tried to blast through randomly. A good brain behind the wheel beats horsepower and 4WD hardware every time. Surely, the same applies with a trailer attached to the back.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:02 PM   #26
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If I was a "Dirt Eater", the name the forest service gives the Jeeps and Broncos and motorcyles that go on the nasty dirt roads up here, I would certainly like a 4wd. There are many Mountain roads here that go way back in the wilderness that I will never see unless I go with someone else set up for off road travel.

My neighbor has a 4wd jeep set up for just this (And I had to teach him to chain up here once because he got stuck in his snowy driveway) and I am sure it does great in the dirt and ruts and all that. It sits high, it is made for crawling with power on nasty raods. BUT, he doesn't race on them, he drives on them. He too sees guys stuck when they could have gone slow on what looks like a seemingly obvious safer route, but they barreled through the "easy" way.

But this poll is about snow travel, a completely different beast. Look at Donnas video she posted with the snow kids today... ya gotta be smarter than the machine and know how to use it, and when it is useLESS.
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Old 12-04-2005, 12:46 PM   #27
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Snooping for my route up to Oregon, I came across this little bit of info

http://167.131.0.179/Pages/RCMap.asp?mainN...icNav=ChainLaws

Basically, it says you HAVE to chain up trailers if they have brakes under most chain up conditions.

I wonder if they make em as small as mine?

Nah.. Thats the time to go for coffee, I think.
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Basically, it says you HAVE to chain up trailers if they have brakes under most chain up conditions.

I wonder if they make em as small as mine?

Nah.. Thats the time to go for coffee, I think.
Great that you're planning ahead Gina. ODOT closed the Siskiyou Pass for about 12 hours ...hummmm a week ago or so for about 12 hours.

See you in a couple of weeks!!

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