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Old 02-15-2012, 03:48 AM   #15
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Over the past several days I've been looking at pictures I took of the grey water tank on Carol's 16-foot Scamp at Demming, WA last year.

I had just purchased a Thetford 12 gallon portable grey water tank at Camping World in Burlington, WA on the way to the vintage trailer gathering so I could use my sink for the first time and the rest of the summer. I've included a picture of it under my 1977 13-foot Scamp at Demming.

It was so fun and convenient to use my own sink! After looking at Carol's grey water tank I decided it would be so much more convenient to have a grey water tank installed under the floor of the Scamp. Out of sight and permanently attached.

I will be ordering one from Scamp in the next few days. I'm getting ready to remove the frame from under my Scamp to install a new axle and it will be the best time to install a grey water tank as well. I'm going to sandblast and paint the frame as well.

I do have a question about the green hose attached to the grey water tank on the left (driver's side) of Carol's Scamp. Is this from the shower that is on the same side?

I think the two white pipes seen coming through the floor on the other side of the tank are drains for the fresh water tank and the hot water heater.

Does the drain for the sink enter the grey water tank through the floor into the top of the tank? I think the sink is on the right (passenger side) of the 16-foot Scamp. I don't see a hose attached on that side like the green one on the left side.

I've also attached a photo of the 10 gallon fresh water tank that was in my 1977 13-foot Scamp before I took it out to clean the interior. I had just removed the right side dinette seat to get to it. I'm pretty sure all Scamps have the fresh water tank in this location.

I haven't put the 10 gallon tank back in. I went out 8 times in my first season of camping last year and found carrying one gallon jugs of fresh water worked fine. I'd rather have the extra space for storage.

I wiped the mildew off the walls with Tilex before I started camping. It came of very easily and it is still very clean. I've wondered how many decades it has been since my Scamp was cleaned so thoroughly.

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Old 02-15-2012, 07:22 PM   #16
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Yes Jeff in first picture is waste line from floor drain in shower going to tank, no shower no need for this connection. Second picture is one white tube is fresh water tank drain, and other white tube is grey tank vent.
The drain hose for the sink goes from the sink, through the cabinet into the dinette storage compartment where the waste nipple and vent nipple will be sticking up through the floor......probably one from scamp doesnt even have the shower nipple installed just the drain and vent nipple, which come in from passenger side top
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:03 PM   #17
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Jeff, you should warn a girl before you take pictures of her bottom! ;-))))

As Tom has indicated the green one is what runs from my shower pump back to the grey tank - previous owner decided to use a garden hose for this and its been on my list to correct one day ..... but it works so no real pressing reason to change it. He actually used some garden hose on a few spots on the inside as well but I have replaced those.

I can confirm that the smaller of the other two pipes coming out of the floor is indeed the fresh water tank drainage, the other as Tom indicated is the grey tank vent. The hot water tank is drained via the outside hatch on the passenger side of the trailer. Your correct also that the sink is on the passenger side of the trailer and the drain does run through the dinette storage as Tom described. Where your fresh water tank is where mine is located as well.

Look forward to seeing all your mods this summer!!!
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:44 PM   #18
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Ha, Ha!!!
I thought you'd get a kick out of it. I bet it's not every day that you see your holding tank on the internet!

At Lynden I was laying on the grass taking pictures of the underside of Jaimie's 1977 Boler. She told me later that someone thought I was trying to see if it was a boy or girl trailer. Ha, Ha!! I thought that was hilarious.

I told her that I had never seen a Boler with a fiberglass floor and wanted to document how it was done.

Thanks to you and Hambone about the grey water tank vent. I never thought of it needing that. I suspect it also serves as an overflow release. I figured when the sink wouldn't drain anymore it was time to empty the tank. Now I will just have to look at the ground under the trailer.

I know there are sensors that can be installed to show the level of the waste water in the tank. I will have to look into those.

You won't have to wait until summer to see my mods. I'll be in site A12 at the Spring NOG at Nehalum Bay. It is next to you in A14.

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Old 02-16-2012, 02:12 AM   #19
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As you know some strange and wonderful things have happened at some of those meets....so I am just glad it wasn't really my bottom on the internet, Now that would be scary!

Let me know if you find a reasonably priced tank sensor... been looking around myself for one. It would actually be more useful for the fresh water tank - have learned through normal use that I can usually go at least 3 days or more without dumping the grey water if I don't use the shower. Fresh water on the other hand always seems to vanish faster than expected and always seem to run out at the worst time. Makes me wonder if I actually filled it all the way up in the first place.

Yup you do need to have a vent and it will as you say serve as an over flow as well but on mine the grey tank over flows to the shower pan instead if I don't put the plug in place as its lower than the valve. Fortunately its a lesson I only had to learn once.

See you at Nehalum Bay.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:40 PM   #20
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well cathy i agree with you. i don't want it inside with me. in fact i don;t want it at all!
wife and i always camp at state or national camp grounds where we can use the restrooms and showers. so we figured theres no reason to carry that around with us.
in may we will be dry camping for a week. with only portajons. but there is a nice campground a few miles away that we can go to for a shower.
we will be guarding the spawn run of sturgeon up the river. so will be camping right on the river in the forest. since we are volunteering our time they welcome us to use the showers.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:10 PM   #21
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Trillium 5500 had black tank underneath the toilet, below the floor, (middle of trailer roughly), and the fresh water was under the trailer to the rear of the axle.
They didn't come with a grey tank, but I added one to mine in front of the black tank.
Personally, I would sooner deal with the black tank once or twice per trip, than using a porta-pottie
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I'm with you Joe, dumping a black tank is something I also would much rather do than having to clean out a porta-pottie.

If you have a grey water tank you are going to have to take the trailer to a sani-station to dump it out and pull the hose out anyway. On the Scamp the hose does need to be moved between the black water and grey tank levers but its the exception - I seem to recall on most of the others the hose only has to be connected once so its a simple a matter of just pulling one more lever to dump the black tank.
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Let me know if you find a reasonably priced tank sensor... been looking around myself for one. It would actually be more useful for the fresh water tank - have learned through normal use that I can usually go at least 3 days or more without dumping the grey water if I don't use the shower. Fresh water on the other hand always seems to vanish faster than expected and always seem to run out at the worst time. Makes me wonder if I actually filled it all the way up in the first place..
For a fresh water gauge, check out peterh's solution... he backlite the tank with LEDs and cut a themometer-shape viewing hole. Converting dinette into a "U" with more accessible storage.
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Thanks Donna, how did I miss that before..... another great Peter idea! It does look simple but I have taken to leaving my bed down and the tank as you know is towards the back part of the hatch - would have to crawl under the bed to read it. hummmmmm

Hope Kevin sees that whole post though at is would give him a good look at how the pumping is installed for his new grey tank..
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:49 PM   #25
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I see the tubing in and out of the grey water tank!!!



This really helps. I went back and looked at Peter's pictures. I was so in awe of his mods that I didn't notice the tubing.

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Old 02-17-2012, 07:00 AM   #26
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I loved the scene in the movie "RV" with Robin Williams where he dumped, well, sort of, the black water tank. My preference is still the cassette toilet which I dealt with for 5 1/2 months in a pop-up as we stayed in it continuously. Have dealt with black water and the hose, storing it, seeing all the "drips" from the hose and then seeing how sparkling clean the cassette could be with only a little work and not a ton of chemicals. It is a personal choice for me. I would be the first to admit that across the board, my choices are more often than not, different from the majority.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:19 AM   #27
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We have 17.5 Bigfoot tanks are all under the trailer there is only one outlet I was instructed to empty the blank tank first then pull the lever to empty the grey tank this helps clean the outlet and hose prior to cleaning a little more with fresh water when at the dumping station. The longest best gloves I've found are at Lee Valley tools - love shopping there anyway they come right up to the top of your arms and have elastic at the top to hold them in place and the glove fits snugly on your hands.
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Porta-potti, Cassette, Black water tank, even relying on public restrooms... each choice has it's drawbacks and advantages.
The one over which you have the least control is the public option.

The porta-potti is most versatile, the cassette's biggest advantage is that it doubles as a blue-boy. The biggest disadvantage to a blackwater tank is the waiting in line, but if you have a greywater tank, that issue doesn't count.
Any of the first three can be managed and maintained easily and cleanly with a little practice, and the convenience, many times, far outweighs the work.

Overall, the advantage of the blackwater tank option is that all waste handling is done outside the trailer.
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