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Old 01-14-2016, 01:15 PM   #15
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When you consider a 60-70 mph wind driven rain while you bounce down the highway leaks can happen on a front facing window, especially if the weatherstripping is old and/or poorly maintained.

I keep my weatherstrip soft and supple with dielectric grease. So far so good thought the Scamp is only 2 years old.

I can't imagine how a jalousie window could be weatherproof on the trailer's front.
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Old 01-14-2016, 01:39 PM   #16
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I can't imagine how a jalousie window could be weatherproof on the trailer's front.
Our rock guard seems to make it so. It has never leaked, even in driving wind/rain.
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Old 01-14-2016, 02:39 PM   #17
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When I get filled in the front window and moved the side bath window up there I now have a front opening window!
Now you on build a rock guard for it.
If it leaks a little the water will just run into the new shower pan.


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Old 01-14-2016, 03:08 PM   #18
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I can't imagine how a jalousie window could be weatherproof on the trailer's front.
John, in a hard driving rain or if I'm washing the trailer and aim the hose at the side of any of the windows, I get a little seepage. I had the same thing happen on my last trailer that had sliders. The rear window is the worst as it has no weep holes on the egress side, so if it's not level you can get a puddle in the track. Condensation will do the same thing. As Michael suggests, the rock guard seems to protect the front. Opening windows on four sides is hard to beat. Raz
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Old 01-14-2016, 06:13 PM   #19
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When you consider a 60-70 mph wind driven rain while you bounce down the highway leaks can happen on a front facing window, especially if the weatherstripping is old and/or poorly maintained.

I keep my weatherstrip soft and supple with dielectric grease. So far so good thought the Scamp is only 2 years old.

I can't imagine how a jalousie window could be weatherproof on the trailer's front.
Good point about sealant; we'll use the white butyl rubber sealant tape when installing the polycarbonate sheet, then, as well as the little bolts. Otherwise, from the state of the belly band wood, it looks like that front window has never leaked. Not so for the other windows--which all need to be resealed and will be before we take the egg anywhere else. Thanks!
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Old 01-14-2016, 10:51 PM   #20
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Front windows open on our 79 Trillium Jubilee. Jalousies both sides, covered with stoneguard while in transit. The jalousies are the best feature of the older Trills - breezes in, rain stays out for a cool snooze.
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Old 01-15-2016, 08:50 AM   #21
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why ask why?

Some models, like my Scamp, are precluded from having opening windows on the front (and in some cases the back as well) because of the curvature of the shell.

As to others... there was a discussion a while back about the fixed rear window on an Escape. The reported official answer was there were some issues with dust and water infiltration. Of course, that's always an issue with any opening window, and a very minor one if it's properly installed and maintained.

My conclusion is that the real reason is cost. The prevalence of AC today makes banks of operable windows less important, and so less worth the additional cost.

There is also this. Forty years ago when the original Trilliums were being made, if an owner found a little bit of water around the window after driving in a hard rain, the reaction was likely, "That's normal, no big deal, and after all this is camping." Today... "Hey, the window is defective, we need to make a warranty claim."

So, if you are one of those blessed with an older Trillium that has full jalousies all around... be thankful, and take good care of it!
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Old 01-15-2016, 09:43 AM   #22
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I owned a 1980 Trillium Jubilee 7 years, I loved all the windows were all around jealousy.

You could go for a hike by leaving the windows open, safe water infiltration.

And when the windows were closed and we took the road with heavy rains, there was no water intrusion.

I replaced the Trillium by Bigfoot for more spaces.

When we bought the Bigfoot, I was told that I would replace the scenes windows by jealousy, but the previous owner had replaced the four side windows.

I still have forward and backward, if they become defective, I will replace perhaps by jealousy windows...

I know some companies that manufacture custom windows for trailers, manufacture jealousy.
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As to others... there was a discussion a while back about the fixed rear window on an Escape. The reported official answer was there were some issues with dust and water infiltration. Of course, that's always an issue with any opening window, and a very minor one if it's properly installed and maintained.

My conclusion is that the real reason is cost. The prevalence of AC today makes banks of operable windows less important, and so less worth the additional cost.
We ordered an Escape under the mistaken impression we could get jalousie windows. Despite offering to pay any additional costs, they refused, so we cancelled and bought our Trillium. My guess is Escape was concerned about complaints more than cost. Had we continued with the sale we would have had a fixed window in the front and back, a slider on one side and a egress window on the other. That just would not work for us. If you camp at pubic campgrounds in the northeast as well as most federal campgrounds there is no electricity, so AC is useless.



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So, if you are one of those blessed with an older Trillium that has full jalousies all around... be thankful, and take good care of it!
The newer US made Trilliums all have Hehr jalousies. I was told these are the same series Scamp uses except they are bigger. Raz
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Old 01-15-2016, 10:23 PM   #24
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Biggar's also have opening front windows.
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Old 01-16-2016, 09:46 AM   #25
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@Raz... I am in complete agreement with you that AC is not an adequate substitute for lots of natural ventilation in the kinds of places I like to camp.

But my observation is that few newer trailers do offer all-around ventilation like your Sidekick Trillium, so I have to ask why not. And I really do think cost- including both the windows themselves as well as leak-related warranty costs- is the driving factor. And it sells AC... and generators...

I note that Sidekick Trilliums cost more than similar-sized and equipped alternatives and have struggled to stay in production. I'd hazard a guess that the original Trillium also carried a price premium over the Bolers and Scamps of the day. I know the windows aren't the only reason they cost more to build, but it's certainly a factor. I'd balk at paying $20K for a 13' trailer without a bath.

Fantastic Fans have become the poor man's alternative...
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@Raz... I am in complete agreement with you that AC is not an adequate substitute for lots of natural ventilation in the kinds of places I like to camp.

But my observation is that few newer trailers do offer all-around ventilation like your Sidekick Trillium, so I have to ask why not. And I really do think cost- including both the windows themselves as well as leak-related warranty costs- is the driving factor. And it sells AC... and generators...

I note that Sidekick Trilliums cost more than similar-sized and equipped alternatives and have struggled to stay in production. I'd hazard a guess that the original Trillium also carried a price premium over the Bolers and Scamps of the day. I know the windows aren't the only reason they cost more to build, but it's certainly a factor. I'd balk at paying $20K for a 13' trailer without a bath.

Fantastic Fans have become the poor man's alternative...
They got pricey when they went to dealers. Mine is not a sidekick but a 2010 Trillum made in California. At the time they were about $12k to start factory direct. We paid about $14k delivered which was a little more than the Scamp we priced out and quite a bit less than the Escape 15'. At the time Scamp gave buyers a choice of sliders or jalousie at no adfitional charge. I suspect given the option many would be willing to pay more for jalousies. As you said earlier, I am very happy to have them. Raz
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Some models, like my Scamp, are precluded from having opening windows on the front (and in some cases the back as well) because of the curvature of the shell.
A few decades ago, Scamp changed the molds to accommodate a flat sliding rear window in all models.
Recently they eliminated the flat area on the front of the 19 and thus eliminated the option for a front window.
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A few decades ago, Scamp changed the molds to accommodate a flat sliding rear window in all models.
…a move we're all grateful for. A bit odd that they still supply a slider back there, having recently switched to radius jalousies on the sides... any insights on that, Floyd?

Casita, on the other hand, didn't, so their old-design models (13' and 16') still have a fixed plexiglass rear window. Probably not much reason to make the investment, since they sell mostly the newer 17'ers that accommodate an sliding back window.

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Recently they eliminated the flat area on the front of the 19 and thus eliminated the option for a front window.
I didn't realize they ever offered an opening window in the front. It doesn't really seem necessary in a fifth wheel. That space is for sleeping, so less light and better insulation is good. Cross ventilation is still provided by the side windows.
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