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Old 05-29-2013, 03:31 PM   #15
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Here is another consideration:

The propane stovetop provides a cooking flame with no ventelation what-so-ever. Even if you choose to add a hood, the stove still "vents" into the open air of the cabin. Perhaps its not the heater, but its the hot chocolate on the stove (and its associated byproducts) that will kill you. Thoughts?

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PS. I suggest that the only clean source of heat in the trailer is electric. Its not ideal for boondocking, unless you don't mind parking a generator in the woods. Thoughts?
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If this is a "ban", it applies to ALL so-called "gravity fed" furnaces. No licensed technician/shop will work on them any more, no matter the brand- and it's been that way for many years.

That's not the same thing as to say that they're not repairable, or worth repairing- or illegal to possess/sell.

As for tube deterioration:

Since combustion takes place in a closed chamber, the most likely affect of blockage of either tube will be faulty/no operation, so threat to life and limb talk seems overblown.

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PS. I suggest that the only clean source of heat in the trailer is electric. Its not ideal for boondocking, unless you don't mind parking a generator in the woods. Thoughts?
The carbon monoxide from the generator will sneak into the camper and will kill you for sure.
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You seem determined to reduce the competition for camp sites.

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The carbon monoxide from the generator sneak into the camper and will kill you for sure.
Especially if it's gas or diesel powered, as most are.

In fact, those two fuels account for nearly all CO poisonings, followed by charcoal/wood. Propane-related CO poisoning is very rare- this due mostly to the fact that its combustion produces very little CO when compared to those others.

Depletion of oxygen by combustion is the usual culprit if propane is the cause of CO poisoning, a condition easily avoided by proper ventilation of interior spaces.

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You seem determined to reduce the competition for camp sites.

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Read the posts here long enough and virtually everything ends up being a potential fatality.
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On a long enough time scale, breathing is fatal.

Given the discussions about using catalytic vs Mr. Heater type propane heaters, I would say, if there is an exhaust vent at all, you are ahead of other combustion type heaters that don't vent exhaust.
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On a long enough time scale, breathing is fatal.
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The carbon monoxide from the generator will sneak into the camper and will kill you for sure.
This problem can be minimized by positioning the generator at the opposite end of a 100' power cord.
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Read the posts here long enough and virtually everything ends up being a potential fatality.
This is where my mind was when we started this conversation. Is this a real problem, or overinflated hype. It seems to me that the requirement with these furnaces is that you must have a brain and you must use it. There are things that go wrong. You just have to be aware of them and address them if they come up.
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Here is another consideration:

The propane stovetop provides a cooking flame with no ventelation what-so-ever. Even if you choose to add a hood, the stove still "vents" into the open air of the cabin. Perhaps its not the heater, but its the hot chocolate on the stove (and its associated byproducts) that will kill you. Thoughts?
Well Derek the two BIG difference in safety between the stove scenario you described above and the old heater you have are:

1) Each stove manufacture instructions indicate that the user must have good fresh air ventilation when using inside. My 21 year old trailer actually has a small warning label on the wall right by the stove to that effect. Which means you need to open up a window or large vent when using - something people running a furnace to keep the trailer warm are not likely to do or if they do they dont open them enough.

2) A stove with a power vent is even safer as not only does the user have a window open while using it but they have an exhaust fan pulling the bad air out & at the same time it will pull good air in via the open window, something your old furnace does not have and the #1 reason it was ban from use in an RV and discontinued. As indicated previously the old furnace you are asking about actually has a tiny exhaust pipe with no fan.

A lot of people here use propane furnaces including myself made by the same company your old furnance is made by but the BIG difference is they have larger exhaust piping and they have a fan. I use mine a lot when off the grid as do others here - no generator required just a solar panel to keep the battery charged up due to the fan using up battery power.

This is one of the those situations where in a free world people can take warnings seriously in regards to whether or not something they own is safe to use or not. But at the end of day sadly it also one of those situations where the party who made the decision to continue to use something despite the warns might actually not find out it was a bad decision until its to late and at that point they may not actually be able to speak to retell the story as to why it was a bad decision. CO2 after all is a silent killer.
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This problem can be minimized by positioning the generator at the opposite end of a 100' power cord.
Don't spoil all the scarey fun.
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Heaters don't kill people, people kill people! The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a heater is a good guy with a heater!

They're trying to take our freedom to pack heat!!!

What next! A national heater registry? I hope nobody is sending in their product registrations when you're buying a new heater...
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Heaters don't kill people, people kill people! The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a heater is a good guy with a heater!

They're trying to take our freedom to pack heat!!!

What next! A national heater registry? I hope nobody is sending in their product registrations when you're buying a new heater...
Wait a minute - aren't you the scofflaw who removed this label?
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