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Old 11-23-2013, 11:31 PM   #15
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Sounds like you paid big to get to Boise quicker! How many feet long is your Fiber Stream?
The Fiber Stream is 16' long, qualifying for California PTI license plates.

Casita started out in 1983.
Escape started in 2001. There are way more Casitas in existence than Escapes.
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Old 11-24-2013, 05:46 AM   #16
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For any towed load greater than 3,000 pounds and 300 lb. tongue weight, I would want a tow vehicle with a FRAME, not a unibody platform. That means something truck based like a Sequoia, Expedition, Tahoe, Yukon, etc. I have also found that V6s tend to suck just as much gas as V8s when they are pulling a load. I could also expound on the benefits of towing with RWD vs. FWD, but I would run into all sorts who use FWD and swear by it. Safety should be your top priority. A loaded Casita is too near the 3,000 pound limit.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:42 AM   #17
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For any towed load greater than 3,000 pounds and 300 lb. tongue weight, I would want a tow vehicle with a FRAME, not a unibody platform. That means something truck based like a Sequoia, Expedition, Tahoe, Yukon, etc. I have also found that V6s tend to suck just as much gas as V8s when they are pulling a load. I could also expound on the benefits of towing with RWD vs. FWD, but I would run into all sorts who use FWD and swear by it. Safety should be your top priority. A loaded Casita is too near the 3,000 pound limit.
I checked my owners manual and thought more about the TV. I have come to see things differently and should I get a Casita 17' I will change to a ford Explorer (rated for 5,000 pounds), or something similar.

I other option is to get a 16' Scamp deluxe that in true weight would weigh in when loaded at about 2,800 pounds. A loaded Casita would be closer to 3,300 pounds. This might be another option as I do like the Odyssey. Please comment.
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:11 PM   #18
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I met a guy from Shreveport who tows a 2013 17' Casita with an Odyssey. They have towed in the Smokies in hot weather, he says with no problem. I suppose you could try it and see. I personally have never looked under the rear of an Odyssey, so I'm not sure as to the receiver attachment. What maximum tongue weight does Honda list for an Odyssey? The load you are carrying inside the Odyssey would also be a factor.
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Old 11-24-2013, 02:47 PM   #19
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I checked my owners manual and thought more about the TV. I have come to see things differently and should I get a Casita 17' I will change to a ford Explorer (rated for 5,000 pounds), or something similar.

I other option is to get a 16' Scamp deluxe that in true weight would weigh in when loaded at about 2,800 pounds. A loaded Casita would be closer to 3,300 pounds. This might be another option as I do like the Odyssey. Please comment.
Nothing else tows like a Scamp and it has more headroom than the Casita.
The "unibody" is certainly not an issue.I.E... I found many owners of GM fullsized vans who towed enclosed trailers for years and didn't even know the van was "unibody" construction.
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Okay, you're concerned about a bathroom size.. really? My sticks 'n bricks home... I could invite 6 people inside the shower and you know what?... I (we) can get just as clean if the bathroom was the size of a telephone booth and/or if it was just me. Every inch you put into an all molded towable bathroom.. has to come from somewhere. I prefer a bigger bed or more/larger cabinet space for storage. I can use a toilet or get clean in a "shower" that is a HECK of a lot smaller than I expect.. think "Navy." How much time do expect to spend inside there anyway every single day vs other areas?
Oooh, Donna, what goes on in your shower? I'll be right over...

Steve, the Casita 17 with front bath can be very hitch heavy, sometimes 400 to 600 lbs with full water in front. It depends partly on how it's loaded. But even the dry hitch weight listed, 365 lbs, may over the limit for your van (3500/350, am I right?). So even though the total weight is fine, the hitch will be so heavy as to affect handling (even with airbags or helper springs) and to possibly compromise the integrity of the hitch receiver mount points. So your idea of an Explorer is good... or a Highlander like mine, or a Jeep Grand Cherokee... something that will handle at least 500 on the tongue.

Other than that, I'd say your van should handle any of the eggs you're presently contemplating. It becomes a matter of personal preferences, mostly. Or in reality, it may be a question of which used egg you can get to first, before someone else beats you to it!

The Scamp bed is 48" IIRC, unless you get the deluxe (wood cabinets) and then it's 54".

Dining and sitting in the rear or on the side is more scenic than in the front, where you are mainly looking out the front window at the rear of your van.

My Highlander has 270 HP, and it does pretty well, but in the high mountains where the thin air reduces HP, this summer I was wishing I had more power. Just something to think about.
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:16 PM   #21
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I met a guy from Shreveport who tows a 2013 17' Casita with an Odyssey. They have towed in the Smokies in hot weather, he says with no problem. I suppose you could try it and see. I personally have never looked under the rear of an Odyssey, so I'm not sure as to the receiver attachment. What maximum tongue weight does Honda list for an Odyssey? The load you are carrying inside the Odyssey would also be a factor.
Tongue weight listed is 10 to 15% of the trailers total weight. The load inside would normally be about 600 lbs.
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Tongue weight listed is 10 to 15% of the trailers total weight. The load inside would normally be about 600 lbs.
All vehicles with tow ratings, and all hitch receivers, have a maximum allowed hitch weight rating of a certain number of pounds. "10 to 15% of the trailer's total weight" is not a certain number of pounds, and is not conclusive. Usually a vehicle with a 3500 lb. tow rating will only allow 350 lb. on the hitch.

I found this on hondapartssuperstore.com :
Honda Odyssey Trailer Hitch - 2011 - 2014
Part Number: 08L92-TK8-100


Honda Odyssey Trailer Hitch
You can haul trailers weighing up to 3,500 pounds (350 pounds tongue weight) with the Towing Package. Check out your Owner's Manual for more details on towing with your new Honda.
  • Class II Trailer Hitch mounts directly to the frame for optimum performance, strength, and security.
  • 2" receiver design supports a variety of trailer coupler designs.
  • Trailer Hitch includes draw bar, retaining pin, and retaining clip.
  • Automatic Transmission Fluid cooler (ATF) helps prevent wear to your transmission while towing.
Fits: 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 Honda Odyssey Accessories
Refer to your Owner's Manual for vehicle towing capacity.
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Hitch Ball - 1 7/8" or 2"
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For any towed load greater than 3,000 pounds and 300 lb. tongue weight, I would want a tow vehicle with a FRAME, not a unibody platform. .
The number of vehicles built on frames has been dropping off fast in recent years, with the exception of pick up trucks which for the most part have remained with frames - the Honda Ridgeliner was a unibody though.

Many people pull the smallish/lightish trailers which most of us have here with a unibody platform without problems for years so I wouldnt get to hung up on the frame vs unibody debate. I myself pulled for 6 years over 35,000 miles of towing with a unibody with no issues.

Here are a few of the current unibody vehicles that I can think of off the top of my head having just spent time new tug shopping, that people here pull with and are happy with & all very capable of pulling over 3000lbs:

Toyota Highlander = 5000lbs
Ford Explorer = 5000lbs
VW Touareg = 7000 lbs

If I am not mistaken even Land Rover has gone to unibody on most? of their line up as well.
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Old 11-26-2013, 07:04 AM   #24
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IMHO that 350 pound maximum tongue weight is not enough for an Odyssey that is loaded with gear and people. A loaded Casita might even exceed that.
I prefer a 1,000 pound safety margin for towing weight and 200 pounds additional for the tongue weight, thus a minimum for towing a 17' Casita of:
4,000 pound towing capacity and 500 pound tongue weight rating.
However, that's just me, better safe than sorry.
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