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Old 11-21-2011, 01:09 PM   #15
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Old 11-21-2011, 03:35 PM   #16
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I am replacing the ensolite on my 17ft Boler and found this product. Does anyone have any thoughts or advice. I thought the fact that it has a finished side of white poly was a bonus.

Double Bubble Insulation : Radiant Barrier, Reflective Foil Insulation, Bubble Insulation: EcoFoil

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This comes in several colors and a couple of weaves.....

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Old 11-28-2011, 06:56 PM   #17
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Ensolite reminds me of Neoprene with a vinyl finish. Would it not be possible to glue the Neoprene to the walls, then paint with a vinyl based paint, or another flexible paint?
I found this web site:
Neoprene Fabric, Sheets and Neoprene Rubber
They sell 51"x83"sheets of plain Neoprene in a 3mm thickness for $20.80, or 6mm thick for $32.80.
Am I missing something? It probably is too flammable.
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:07 PM   #18
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The only thing I can think of is Neoprene is not closed cell. Any rubber product or synthetic needs to be closed cell in order to NOT absorb moisture. I have a neoprene mouse pad that's covered in a fabric of some sort and it's soft.... but not water proof.
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Kevin made several videos about the subject. He was working with a couple of foams covered with a marine vinyl material. Here is one his first videos.
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:50 PM   #20
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The only thing I can think of is Neoprene is not closed cell. Any rubber product or synthetic needs to be closed cell in order to NOT absorb moisture. I have a neoprene mouse pad that's covered in a fabric of some sort and it's soft.... but not water proof.

It may not qualify as closed cell, but the specs in the web link I posted claims water absorption as 1%, pretty low. They even have a type that performs at higher water pressure. I wonder if it is more closed cell then other type? I haven't gone shopping yet, but there may be a closed cell variety of it.

The more I think about it the more I like it. With some skill you could use the patterned stuff, (Camo interior???). It is pretty good insulation. The wet suit my brother purchased is a farmer John bottom with a long sleeve shorts top. I'm not sure what the individual thickness are, but in total his torso is covered by ~15mm. Since he rarely swims in the arctic, it is way too hot. I has to be darn cold for either piece to be useful. And all that neoprene is very buoyant. He has to have 150lb in weight just to get below the surface. So it does seem kinda closed cell. I hear that it is heavy. It might add too much weight, but my Trillium seems to have a very thin layer of Ensolite. It really is just to help with condensation, not reduce winter heating costs. Cover 3mm of it in white, (or whatever) vinyl and I don't think I could tell it from the real elephant skin. Before you paint it, it would sure form into the complex curves nice.

Acording to this web site:
Conduction - The Physics Hypertextbook
The thermal conductivity of neoprene is comparable to asbestos but not nearly as good as fiber glass. I wonder what the numbers on Ensolite are?

I am going to Home Depot to look for Eco Foam at lunch tomorow,

I don't have a problem with my trailer, but I want more Trilliums, think I have a bug! I think Randy Bishop would understand. Next time, I want a 4500 that is a fixer-uper. I want to put a proper front bathroom in one. One for just my wife and I.
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Old 11-29-2011, 02:57 PM   #21
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Went to Home Depot at lunch. Eco Foam was sold out, but they still had samples. The stuff is definitely lighter then neoprene. The online info says that it is closed cell. It would be interesting to get an R value for it. It is about the same price, $120/ 20 Sq yards.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:36 AM   #22
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Eco Foam is closed cell. It insulates well, hot, cold and sound. The 20 sq yd roll did my Trillium 1300 with enough left over for ONE cutting mistake.
It is somewhat stiff which makes it a bit tricky to install on the compound curves in the top corners but not bad if you take your time.
Being polyethelene it won't take latex paint so you need a good oil base for a primer. I used Tremclad flat white with 2 topcoats of tinted Zinser Ultra-White self priming latex.
One year and so far so good.
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Eco Foam is closed cell. It insulates well, hot, cold and sound. The 20 sq yd roll did my Trillium 1300 with enough left over for ONE cutting mistake.
It is somewhat stiff which makes it a bit tricky to install on the compound curves in the top corners but not bad if you take your time.
Being polyethelene it won't take latex paint so you need a good oil base for a primer. I used Tremclad flat white with 2 topcoats of tinted Zinser Ultra-White self priming latex.
One year and so far so good.
Do you have any pictures of the install?
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:02 AM   #24
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This is all I have right now of the installation.
The seams are caulked with acrylic latex.
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Very nice!
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Old 12-02-2011, 01:11 PM   #26
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One problem to consider with this stuff is the 1/4 inch thickness. Any open edges have to be trimmed out somehow. I was able to use plastic panel edging (Home Depot) in most places except along the door where I had to use caulking.
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What did you use to glue the eco foam to the fiberglass? It looks great!
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Eco Foam is closed cell. ...
Being polyethelene it won't take latex paint so you need a good oil base for a primer.
I wonder how the aliphatic Grizzly grip would work?
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It would be tougher than paint.
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