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Old 08-16-2016, 07:58 PM   #15
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My wife has been waiting 40 years for her husband to stop offgassing.
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Old 08-16-2016, 08:38 PM   #16
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Perhaps Scamp could build your trailer to your specifications ...
In addition to the fiberglass itself, other items in the Scamp trailer that may have problematic chemicals are:
  1. The cabinet doors and bench hatches .. You might order the trailer without cabinet doors and hatches,...
  2. The adhesive used to glue on any number of things ...You could ask that these NOT be adhered...
  3. The floor itself. Ask that they leave off the flooring...
  4. ... You could ask Scamp to vacuum those and others that drop in the process of manufacture.
  5. The cushions: ...I don't think Scamp will do this for you....
  6. Sealant is used on all the seams and rivets. This could be toxic.
  7. The sink and icebox are made of plastics.
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No way Eveland's is going to build a trailer that way you have described. No way no how.

One could perhaps buy an empty shell and then do as you describe, but Eveland's will not. I will bet $1000 on it.

For an idea of what it would take to build out a camper from a shell see Rookie vs. 1990 Casita (Project Thread)

I know that this is not very helpful for Margaret, but its the way it is.
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Old 08-16-2016, 09:48 PM   #17
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Margaret, my SD was 6 years old when I bought it. Can't say that it had any "offgassing" smells. It hadn't been used in the two years the second owner had it.....health problems. It was parked in Encinitas Ca, not to far from the Pacific Ocean. Other than a kind of closed up smell, like a long closed up room, there was nothing that a 30 minute airing out didn't take care of. I can tell you that when I was looking at new stick trailers that walking into some of them would make my eyes water from the glue/materials and such from how they're built. Molded trailers don't use the wood products like stickys do. I've done a lot of FG work on my dune buggy and the resin smell goes away in a couple days. So, with out going back through all your posts I have to ask, have you gone to any rallies or been in any FG TTs to see for yourself how they may affect you? Others have mentioned a sensitivity also but every ones reactions are different. All we can do for you is toss out our ideas but you need to get into and experience a number of trailers to see how or if they affect you and let us know.
Hi Dave,

I haven't been to any rallies yet, but I've been to an RV dealership and went to see a Parkliner (that one of the managers owned). The RV dealership was one toxic mess. The camplite was the best one there, but I had trouble handling even it because of the vinyl couch (I think).

The RVs were all parked out in the hot sun (and all new), and the fumes were pretty potent.

Unfortunately, even the Parkliner (perhaps two years old?) made me feel ill (now that's an innovative interior design for anyone who's interested and has no sensitivities.

I talked to a lady who made do with her new Parkliner by custom ordering all the upholstery and batting, and then steam cleaning the rat fur (carpeting) and using an air purifier.

I've also heard that you can use a specially made sealant that seals in all chemicals and chemical smells.

I just talked to someone who has a 2010 Casita. I would imagine that in almost seven years, a unit should have off gassed!

There is a website called something like "my chemically sensitive tiny house." She has a section on campers, and one thing she mentions is Egg campers.

The problem with Eggs is that any that are left are in MN, which is a very humid state, hence, a possible mold issue.

I got my ideas for campers from a book by Lisa Petrison and Erik Johnson on mold illness. They got rid of their mold illnesses by buying certain types of campers (and or retrofitting box trucks) and driving around until they found the type of location where their symptoms lifted. Their hypothesis (which I don't agree with 100%) is that Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are caused by mold illness. Having said that, they have some very good ideas regardless. Their book mentions, specifically, the Camplite, Scamp, and Casita campers.

Camplites used to use only aluminum and azdel, but virtually nothing else. That all changed during a corporate takeover, and now they are marketing to a wider audience, and all their old models are being snatched up really fast (most are gone, I think). I think they were the only "good" stick campers.

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Old 08-16-2016, 09:53 PM   #18
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When my trailer was 25 years old when I bought it it had no chemical smells. That was before I cleaned it up and then put in my own new round of chemical smells. A big one for you is putting in new foam, especially the memory foam mattress and pillows. If I was really worried about chemical off gassing I would look for at least a 6 year old trailer from a western state that has spent its life outdoors. I would avoid buying a trailer from predominately wet states due to a chance of hidden mold issues. The one issue you may run into especially with younger trailers is the owners love them and are proud so they will give the trailer a really good cleaning before the new buyer comes to look at it. This may peak your sensitivities.
Excellent answer, and you've made some good points! I didn't even think about the owners giving it a good cleaning with new chemicals prior to selling it, LOL!

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Old 08-16-2016, 09:56 PM   #19
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Why are you asking health and safety questions from people who don't have degrees in chemical engineering? If you want to know the answers to how long does vinyl ester resin give off styrene curing fumes you should ask that question of the companies who make the products as the law requires they furnish that information to customers

Right now you are asking people their opinions but you are asking them does your trailer smell and for how long does it smell? That will not provide you with reliable data to protect your health. Some chemicals that can harm you have no smell, others that smell strongly do little to no harm. Your nose is not a reliable indicator of what is what but I understand that you would like it to be.
hmmm . . . yes, well that's a good point, although I guess my body is the final judge of all that, as I don't entirely know to which materials I react and to which I don't.

I think you're talking about the fiberglass itself; am I correct?

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Old 08-16-2016, 09:58 PM   #20
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She is asking because she is chemically sensitive. Being chemically sensitive is indeed a health issue that can have major impact on an individual in many different ways. Unfortunately the only way to know if any particular used RV is going to be suitable is for her to actually spend time in it.
Thanks for that k corbin, and I think you might be right. I'd better just haul my butt out West and start looking. Sitting on my butt in NC isn't going to help me, and people want deposits.

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Old 08-16-2016, 09:59 PM   #21
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That's your interpretation.
No, I think it's because he remembers me!

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Old 08-16-2016, 10:01 PM   #22
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KC, the OPs question was ask of owners experiences with offgassing of their trailers which has been answered by some. Nothing was asked by her of having a chemical engineer answering or getting involved. She has also said she feels better being in a different state than NC. My wife lived in NC for 10 years, didn't have a health problem with mold but the wet/humid didn't help her. A move from there to a dry climate may be a huge improvement in her health like many have done.
Yes, what I'm really looking for is not engineers, but how do people FEEL in their campers, and how long does it take for the smells and icky feelings to go away!

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Old 08-16-2016, 10:03 PM   #23
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We picked up our Scamp in January. When we arrived in Backus it was sitting outside buttoned up and weather tight. It did smell a bit when we opened the door and I am glad we did not spend the night inside that first week. Then we were off for 6 weeks. No problems. Still we keep the roof vent open 24/7/365 using a Camco all weather cover.

The best would be to take Summer delivery and let the trailer cook in the sun for a few days with the windows open. Or run the fan for a week or so. The off gassing lessens over time. Buying a non-smoker's used 2 year old trailer might be best for the chemically sensitive.
John, yes, that's why I'm not buying anything new!!

I realized fairly quickly how impossible that would be for me.

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Old 08-16-2016, 10:08 PM   #24
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The problem is that while some off gassing is stinky, others actually increase as the object ages and are odorless. The pvc vinyl shower curtain I used before knowing better, for example....the danger was in the longer term odorless off gassing, not the initial stink that went away!
That's not good . . . and so many people are putting in vinyl floors, although I would imagine a floor would be less of a problem.

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Old 08-16-2016, 10:16 PM   #25
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The question of off-gassing and harmful chemicals is one all of us should consider when acquiring any product/food. Because this is a known health issue for you, you need to be as knowledgeable as possible in your purchase of a trailer, fiberglass or not, new or used.

I Googled "off gassing in new fiberglass trailers" and found this reply, among others. I suggest you make the same Google search for other comments. Anyone concenred about the fiberglass off-gassing? | Scamp Owners International

There are several organizations that address chemical sensitivity as there has been an increase in recognizing this condition as well as for "everyday" folks (for lack of a better description) who care deeply about chemicals that surround us. Google "Chemical Sensitivity Organizations".

When we picked up our new Scamp from the manufacturer in Minnesota we noticed the off-gassing smell. I did not like it, but we had few options and drove, and slept in, the new trailer to our home in California. We kept doors and window open as much as possible. I couldn't tell you when the smell subsided but suggest, when storing the trailer, that you keep it outdoors with windows, roof vents and door open.

I did notice that at the Scamp manufacturing plant that they had several trailers parked outside. They told us that some of them had been ordered but the customers had changed their minds and these trailers were for sale as is.

Perhaps Scamp could build your trailer to your specifications and keep it on their lot vented outdoors for a couple months. Perhaps you could have someone other than yourself pick up and deliver the trailer to you. Perhaps you could have Scamp deliver the trailer to you.

In addition to the fiberglass itself, other items in the Scamp trailer that may have problematic chemicals are:
  1. The cabinet doors and bench hatches are made of pressed wood. You might order the trailer without cabinet doors and hatches, ask for the hinges and knobs, and make your own doors/hatches out of real wood.
  2. The adhesive used to glue on any number of things including flooring and "rat fur" used on the walls. You could ask that these NOT be adhered and use your own adhesive (I don't know what that would be) or ask Scamp to use your requested adhesive. (I'm not sure I would rely on them to do this unless I was there to supervise as they have their usual way of assembly)
  3. The floor itself. Ask that they leave off the flooring and/or give you the flooring and seam covering for you to apply.
  4. I found that my new Scamp had lots of "shavings" that dropped into the wheel well and inside cabinets and benches and smelled. You could ask Scamp to vacuum those and others that drop in the process of manufacture.
  5. The cushions: Both the fabric and the foam. You could have cushion covers made out of a natural fabric without chemical additives such as cotton or wool. I don't think Scamp will do this for you. Latex is a natural rubber foam which is, as far as I know, chemical free. Note: latex is heavy. IKEA sells latex pads.
  6. Sealant is used on all the seams and rivets. This could be toxic.
  7. The sink and icebox are made of plastics.
I realize that the options I've suggested may add to the cost of your trailer and I'm guessing that there may be many other items, depending on the options you request, that will have chemicals that do not agree with you. You are very smart to do "due diligence" before ordering your trailer.

I do hope you find your "dream trailer" and have "happy trails" ahead!

Note: I do see, in one of your previous postings, that you have found a website devoted to non-toxic issues My Chemical-Free House.
No Gilda, that is a perfectly legitimate idea, except I tried it with one manufacturer, and he became so frustrated, I think I drove him nearly batty.

Still not sure what I'm going to do. I thought I had the "perfect" solution after reading the above mentioned book, but it's proving to be much harder than I thought.

The killer is that I've already bought the towing vehicle to the tune of mucho $$. And I still don't know where I want to live, which is where the camper comes in eg, I could drive it around until I figured out where to park my body and my pets permanently?

I had brief email communications with the owner of the chemical sensitive house website; I might try one of her "consultations."

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Old 08-16-2016, 10:18 PM   #26
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My wife has been waiting 40 years for her husband to stop offgassing.
Ha ha! Well if you haven't off gassed by now, I don't think you will!

So she'd better get used to it, or she might have to trade you in for a different model!

Margaret

PS, That's why they call some of us "old farts."
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Old 08-16-2016, 10:23 PM   #27
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No way Eveland's is going to build a trailer that way you have described. No way no how.

One could perhaps buy an empty shell and then do as you describe, but Eveland's will not. I will bet $1000 on it.

For an idea of what it would take to build out a camper from a shell see Rookie vs. 1990 Casita (Project Thread)

I know that this is not very helpful for Margaret, but its the way it is.
You would be amazed how much a certain company was actually willing to do for me. They had it pretty much accomplished except for the marine spar varnish (sorry if I got that part wrong), and the company's owner wasn't willing to compromise on that one. These small private companies actually do quite a bit to accommodate their clients.

Margaret

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Old 08-16-2016, 10:57 PM   #28
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One thing that some new home builders are doing to excelerate the speed of off gassing is to close the house up and heat bake it at temperatures of just over 100 degrees for a few weeks.

When you had the idea of buying a trailer that had spent its time in the desert your thinking was about it not being moldy. But that desert life might also mean the off gassing will have been well reduced just by sitting in those hot temperatures.
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