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Old 08-17-2016, 12:06 AM   #29
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One thing that some new home builders are doing to excelerate the speed of off gassing is to close the house up and heat bake it at temperatures of just over 100 degrees for a few weeks.

When you had the idea of buying a trailer that had spent its time in the desert your thinking was about it not being moldy. But that desert life might also mean the off gassing will have been well reduced just by sitting in those hot temperatures.
Hi k corbin,

My experience so far is that hot sun beating down on a camper makes it stink really bad, but I guess your point is that that means the stuff is evaporating faster?

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Old 08-17-2016, 12:18 AM   #30
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my chemical free house website (on campers)


My Chemical-Free House

I've been reading this website, and she has a section on "trailers," (I guess that's what Canadians call campers?)

Anyway, here's where she writes about how she modified a Camplite, which, before 2015 was made of all aluminum, with no carpeting, wood, or plywood.

My Chemical-Free House: Building A Non-Toxic Trailer

Here's her post about fiberglass campers. I've noticed she's added some new info. that wasn't there before:

My Chemical-Free House: Trailers for the Chemically Sensitive

She also writes about custom designed all wood teardrop trailers, which seem completely unrealistic--too heavy, for one thing.

I'm now wondering if I shouldn't contact the Oliver company; she hadn't mentioned Olivers before.

But then, the problem would be that the fiberglass itself would have to offgas for a few years.

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Old 08-17-2016, 01:11 AM   #31
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Hi Dave,
I got my ideas for campers from a book by Lisa Petrison and Erik Johnson on mold illness. found the type of location where their symptoms lifted. Their hypothesis (which I don't agree with 100%) is that Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are caused by mold illness. Margaret
I'd have to disagree also, not that it couldn't or doesn't happen in some cases but stats and studies can tell you anything they want to by how they want to have the results come out and show, $$$ mostly for their future efforts. Happens all the time with a lot of things.
My wife has had Fibro problems since 1996 but mold was never part of it for her. I had pretty bad asthma as a little kid in SW Mich, a move (not my choice) in 1961 to SoCal and cleared it up by '62. Which was why I suggested you move to a drier local. You may find that that may eliminate some of your issues and make life easier for you. One thing I've always found a little off the wall was Grandparents not wanting to move to a location that better suits their health because of the family. To me, the kids of any age can come and visit them. I always loved making the trip back to Mich for a visit and did it many times. Again, good luck to you.
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Another suggestion is to build your own. Glen L company has many plans for RVs. They have been around forever. Any competent builder should be able to modify the materials list to what you want.
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Old 08-17-2016, 08:36 AM   #33
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Another suggestion is to build your own. Glen L company has many plans for RVs. They have been around forever. Any competent builder should be able to modify the materials list to what you want.
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The creator of this posting has major hand strength issues . She can't build or even remodel a FGRV. She has discussed her hand strength issue in other threads.
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Old 08-17-2016, 09:08 AM   #34
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My Chemical-Free House

I've been reading this website, and she has a section on "trailers," (I guess that's what Canadians call campers?)

Anyway, here's where she writes about how she modified a Camplite, which, before 2015 was made of all aluminum, with no carpeting, wood, or plywood.

My Chemical-Free House: Building A Non-Toxic Trailer

Here's her post about fiberglass campers. I've noticed she's added some new info. that wasn't there before:

My Chemical-Free House: Trailers for the Chemically Sensitive

She also writes about custom designed all wood teardrop trailers, which seem completely unrealistic--too heavy, for one thing.

I'm now wondering if I shouldn't contact the Oliver company; she hadn't mentioned Olivers before.

But then, the problem would be that the fiberglass itself would have to offgas for a few years.

Margaret
No one here can guarantee you won't have health issues from fiberglass trailers. You are going to have to find that out for yourself by getting out there and actually being inside of them. The time for talking about it is over, the time for action has arrived. Get out there and go into some trailers. If it makes you feel ill walk right back out and don't buy one. Don't worry about plan B until you have checked out plan A. Take some real physical investigative research action. Too much talk and not enough action is happening in your life. Be a doer.
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Replying to the OP, we got our Scamp delivered new from Backus in April 2015 and it smelled quite a bit when it arrived. My wife is rather sensitive to smells but after 3-4 weeks it was pretty much cleared up and did not bother her. A subjective answer, I know, but smells probably should clear up in weeks and not months.
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Health experts don’t agree that MCS is an illness brought on by the environment.The American Medical Association does not consider multiple chemical sensitivity to be an illness at all. That said, the mind is a powerful thing, and it can make you suffer real symptoms in response to something you believe.

The people who feel they have MCS certainly do experience real suffering, but whether it's caused by external smells/chemicals etc is the question. If you start digging into blogs of people who say they have MCS, you'll find a whole lot of hand-waving distress about "toxins" and other things, but no medical science behind it.

The issues I would point out with MCS is that most of the online pro-MCS information is fear-driven and absolutely riddled with pseudoscience and baseless "facts", and often pushes all sorts of unscientific things on the sufferers, throwing around vague, frightening words like "toxins" without bothering to actually describe what specific thing they mean.

I feel for anyone who suffers from this, but if someone believes they have MCS, then it's not going to matter how "toxin-free" they make their environment. If they believe that they are going to get sick from something they smell, they will get sick, and no environment is free from the smell of the things that make up that environment.
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When I bought my Escape, the "new trailer" smell was very strong for the first few weeks but dissipated quite a lot over the first year. During the second year, you could still smell the off-gassing if the trailer was closed up for any periods of time. In the third year, I could still slightly notice an off-gassing odour if the trailer had been shut up for several weeks or months. It is now in our 4 year, and that new trailer smell is barely noticeable.


We have visited the Escape factory several times, and each time I thought to myself how strong the new fibreglass and outgassing odors were inside the building, and how it could be challenging for some to work in that environment.
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Margaret, there is practically nowhere in this country you can avoid exposure to artificial substances, aside from maybe a simple log cabin or cave with furniture made as our ancestors did, with wood, plant fibers, and animal hides. And all such 'natural' substances are made up of many thousands of complex molecules, i.e. chemicals, some of them very pungent and many quite toxic.

And you have pets? Many people are allergic to pet dander. Yours are not a problem?

If you had resources, you could have someone take a basic metal cargo trailer and build you a camper using only materials you approve. But of what? Natural lumber 'outgases' (smells nice to me), as of course do the varnishes, glues, and paints you need to make cabinets, beds, etc. Short of such an approach, as others say, you'll just have to try different living arrangements until you find one that bothers you the least. I rather doubt it's going to be in a trailer.

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In medicine just because something has not made it onto an organization's list does not mean it is not a real condition. It just means that not enough is known about it to get it on the list. Not knowing enough about something does not mean it is an imaginary condition or that people who have the symptoms are hypochondriacs.

Immunotoxicology and the development of hypersensitivity to chemicals has been well documented in animal studies. But human studies are difficult to get permission to conduct for the obvious reasons of intentionally introducing harmful chemicals into their bodies and environment. If you see it from that perspective you will realize why there is not empirical proof in humans from medical testing results for the condition of multiple chemical sensitivity.

We can't conduct such test as they are considered to be inhumane. What are you going to do force feed chemicals to people to see if you give them enough they will react more strongly in the future to other chemicals? Then do that for enough years to gather the data to prove such a thing as multiple chemical sensitivity exist so that it can make it to some organizations list of recognized diseases? Of course not, we are hopefully no longer that barbaric to other humans. Now we do testing with a person's permission but that is a test no one would be likely to participate in as there is no hope of a cure involved in it and it is a very real danger to the person being tested. We know it exist from the studies done on animals. Leave it be at that and accept that it does exist.
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