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03-20-2014, 11:27 AM
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#21
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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Doesn't seem to be getting through.
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03-20-2014, 11:32 AM
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#22
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Senior Member
Name: Judi
Trailer: 16' scamp standard side diner
Indiana
Posts: 152
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okay. made appt to weigh trailer tomorrow here are specs on my standard 16'.
here are specs for my size and model before I weight it out:
Approximate weight 1750-2000
3500 pound torsion axle
10” electric brakes
5000 lb. hitch
Hitch weight 165 pounds
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03-20-2014, 01:14 PM
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#23
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Senior Member
Trailer: Class A Motorhome
Posts: 7,912
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Yep, those are right off of the Scamp Trailers website and are for an empty trailer, no water, no food, clothes, not even a roll of toilet paper and other stuff.
Be prepared for a surprise if your trailer is packed as ready-to-go.
And don't forget to pack the stuff in the back of the trailer that you mentioned.
We're not trying to be a PITA, we just want everyone to be safe going down the road.
Remember: DeNile is not just a river in Egypt.....
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03-20-2014, 02:24 PM
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#24
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp 16 ft and Trillium 4500
Posts: 213
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Ive weighed my Scamp 16 twice. 1730 lbs unloaded, 2240 loaded. If you have the "deluxe" model with all the wood cabinets, they can be 800-1000 lbs more. Mine does not have a roof AC, microwave, or oven - standard model w bath. As has been stated earlier, loading weight behind the axle will make it sway - you are basically making a big pendulum.
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03-20-2014, 02:37 PM
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#25
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Jacobson
Ive weighed my Scamp 16 twice. 1730 lbs unloaded, 2240 loaded. If you have the "deluxe" model with all the wood cabinets, they can be 800-1000 lbs more. Mine does not have a roof AC, microwave, or oven - standard model w bath. As has been stated earlier, loading weight behind the axle will make it sway - you are basically making a big pendulum.
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I must say that your estimates of additional weight for the wood cabinets could only be accurate when refering to the 2" thick PETRIFIED WOOD cabinet option! (not presently available from Scamp) . I assume those are pretty rare even in the aftermarket!
Otherwise the difference in weight between Deluxe and Standard can be attributed almost entirely to options and cargo!.
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03-20-2014, 02:48 PM
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#26
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp 16 ft and Trillium 4500
Posts: 213
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Thats what I was quoted from the factory, fwiw.....
Oak cabinets and thick countertops weigh quite a bit more than thin fiberglass.
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03-20-2014, 02:54 PM
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#27
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Jacobson
Thats what I was quoted from the factory, fwiw.....
Oak cabinets and thick countertops weigh quite a bit more than thin fiberglass.
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Inspite of your recollection, it just ain't so.
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03-20-2014, 02:58 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp 16 ft and Trillium 4500
Posts: 213
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Quote:
Originally Posted by floyd
Inspite of your recollection, it just ain't so.
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Yep you're right. Oak cabinetry is just as light as fiberglass.....
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03-20-2014, 03:15 PM
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#29
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Jacobson
Yep you're right. Oak cabinetry is just as light as fiberglass.....
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At least any difference is trifling...
More than an additional 50% of trailer weight attribution is simply ludicrous!
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03-20-2014, 03:22 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Class A Motorhome
Posts: 7,912
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That's Great News then.....
I've always wanted a solid oak HWRV (HardWood RV) now I can get one light enough that I don't need that F-350 that I thought I would need to pull it.
But maybe Redwood would be better, no termites, ever.
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03-20-2014, 03:32 PM
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#31
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Senior Member
Trailer: Class A Motorhome
Posts: 7,912
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According to scamptrailers.com.....
Standard 16' 1750-2000 lbs.
Deluxe 16' 2200-2600 lbs.
Looks like they pick up 450 to 600 lbs somewhere.
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03-20-2014, 04:41 PM
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#32
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Miller
That's Great News then.....
I've always wanted a solid oak HWRV (HardWood RV) now I can get one light enough that I don't need that F-350 that I thought I would need to pull it.
But maybe Redwood would be better, no termites, ever.
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That's a good thing about the termites... since they are in fact heavier than African elephants in their natural habitat.
Did you know that the biomass of the termites in Africa is greater than all other animal life on the continent combined.
The termites are therefore heavier than the elephants!
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03-20-2014, 05:46 PM
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#33
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: 2012 Escape 19
Oklahoma
Posts: 6,021
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This is not the first report we have read of a Scamp 16 exhibiting sway.
But first, it is important to establish a definition. If you sometimes see the trailer give a little wiggle, I would say that is not really sway. True sway is dangerous. If you have the trailer oscillating hard and repeatedly from side to side in a way that makes you wonder if your rig is about to swap ends, that is sway!!
A little wiggle-waggle back there is not too serious. And yes, a sway bar should reduce that motion. As for the wild oscillation, a sway bar is a band-aid on a festering sore; it's better than nothing, but not as good as determining the root cause of the danger and reducing/eliminating it.
The actual weights will tell you a great deal. That is your starting point in knowing what to fix, should that be necessary. Please let us know what you find out. You should be able to measure the hitch weight with a bathroom scale, by the way.
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03-20-2014, 07:02 PM
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#34
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Magee
This is not the first report we have read of a Scamp 16 exhibiting sway.
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Notice the OP mentioned 40-60MPH winds,...
I've lived in houses which swayed on their foundations with that sort of wind.
Here in IllAnnoy the tollroads ban trailers when wind speeds exceed 30MPH!
The Scamp16 is certainly one of the most stable trailers on the road.
Now Okra and Bananas ... there's a sway problem,
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03-27-2014, 12:53 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Frank
Trailer: Casita
California
Posts: 260
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First you want your trailer to set level when it is loaded and hooked to the car..
Distribute the weight in the trailer.
Approximately 10 to 15% of the actual trailer weight should be at the ball.
Stop at a truck vehicle inspection station and ask to weight all three axels, car and trailer.
If you can get the two axels of the car weighed with out the trailer you will know how much weight is on the cars trailer hitch.
This is what I have been told and I can tow my trailer at 65 with no problem. EXCEPT when that GrayHound bus passes me!!!
Frank
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03-27-2014, 06:58 AM
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#36
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Senior Member
Trailer: Class A Motorhome
Posts: 7,912
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Gee Frank... I see you live in CA.... How do you tow "at 65 with no problem" when the speed limit for towed trailers is 55/// LOL... And my experience is that it's usually Casino bound charter busses that pass at 70-75 mph.
BTW: It's a lot easier to use a bathroom scale to measure tongue weight. I buy analogue bathroom scales at yard sales for $2, compare their accuracy against my home digital scale, lay a piece of 2x6 across the scale and weigh away.
NOTE: Scale/weight purists may not agree with my source of scales but, in as much as my body weight and desired tongue weight are about the same, I can use that as a reference for accuracy.
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03-27-2014, 10:31 AM
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#37
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Senior Member
Name: Frank
Trailer: Casita
California
Posts: 260
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55 !!! gosh I must have read the speed sign wrong (grin grin). I like your tongue weight method. Should work as the loaded weight of the trailer shouldn't be much more than a BIG person !!!
Frank
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03-27-2014, 12:23 PM
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#38
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Senior Member
Name: Francesca Knowles
Trailer: '78 Trillium 4500
Jefferson County, Washington State, U.S.A.
Posts: 4,669
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Infogypsy
I always put all weight in rear of trailer and ride with mostly empty black water but sway continued throughout trip. PS I never go above 55 MPH and often drive 45-50 MPH. STILL SWAY VERY OFTEN. Thanks for any suggestions as I am taking trailer I to local trailer guy soon and I may need to buy that sway bar online instead of from him.
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O.P. still around? If so:
Above red highlight is the cause of your problem. Adding a sway bar won't solve it, though it may mask the effects a bit. I for one think that even more dangerous, since you'll be depending on that device to "control" a condition that it likely will not be equipped to always overcome. Sway is a very dangerous condition and a major cause of trailer accidents. A sway bar is meant for occasional corrections on a properly set up and load-distributed trailer. It can't be depended on to constantly control the kind of forces st into motion by improper loading. The problem will persist until you restore at least ten percent of total loaded weight to the tongue where it belongs.
For a demonstration of the dramatic effects of poor load distribution, check out this (scale model) short video:
It sounds like you got into this fix due to the incapacity of the Forester to handle sufficient tongue weight, surely your reason for loading everything behind the trailer axle. I don't know how to advise a solution to that but will caution that conventional W/D systems may be very risky on that vehicle, especially if attached to an aftermarket bolt-on hitch. The four points of attachment used for such applications are likely unsuitable for the stresses placed thereon by W/D systems.
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03-27-2014, 12:41 PM
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#39
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Senior Member
Trailer: Class A Motorhome
Posts: 7,912
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The OP was last see on March 20 and was going to get the trailer weighed the next day.
(Snark alert) Would be nice to know the results of that weigh-in and tongue weight, just in case some of us were right for a change.....
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03-27-2014, 12:46 PM
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#40
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Senior Member
Name: Judi
Trailer: 16' scamp standard side diner
Indiana
Posts: 152
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Clearly I must not be saying this right. I am heavy if anything on tongue, giving a slight downward tug on tv. But thanks all. I've got answer. Never tow in winds above 20-25 mph. Very simple and I was thinking that was a regular tow situation since winds are chronically that heading west on I-80. I've solves it by swearing off pulling in high winds for hours. When I head west this autumn I will avoid interstates and angle out as I go. Thanks again.
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