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Old 03-30-2013, 11:28 PM   #15
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I know Escape Industries has sent enough trailers south of the border they absolutely know what's needed. I'd think Eveland's (Scamp) would have the same knowledge.
A reasonable guess, but I wouldn't count on it. I don't know about Scamp, but when I checked with Casita their version of selling to Canada would be to deliver just on the U.S. side of my chosen border crossing, leaving me to import it myself, with a CSA instead of RVIA sticker being the only accommodation to the destination. Eveland's is closer to Canada, but Scamps are very rare here, so I don't think they sell to Canadians routinely. Escape, in contrast, routinely sells to U.S. customers. The relative populations of the two countries make this difference almost inevitable.
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:48 AM   #16
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Since there seem to be no Scamps in the Montreal area I wonder are there any Trilliums? As far as I can judge they are very similar and a lokk at one would probably be useful
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:57 AM   #17
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Since there seem to be no Scamps in the Montreal area I wonder are there any Trilliums? As far as I can judge they are very similar and a lokk at one would probably be useful
Trillium had a new trailer at the Toronto RV show. Maybe an RV show would line up with your travel plans. The dealer representing Trillium might also have one on their sales floor to look at. This is something to investigate in your area.

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Old 04-09-2013, 01:00 PM   #18
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An old Boler would be more like a Scamp. It would of course be much older, the frame would not be as heavy duty, and it would not have as much headroom. the length, width, and shape would be very similar.

If we go to the NS gathering in July I'll try to remember to notify you if we brave it past Montreal.

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Old 04-09-2013, 02:51 PM   #19
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Thank you for the suggestion. Unfortunately I was in To last week and unlikely to go again for a while
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:17 PM   #20
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Interesting about Ontario and I will look into it. I dont think I would have trouble with US/Canadian customs but will check. I will have to leave it once cleared and go to the nearest town in Québec to carry out the plating. Minnesota incidentally does not require plates under about 1400lbs but there is still Michigan and NY State who do.
Of course you will need plates when you pick it up. And don't you need plates for a trailer anywhere in USA? If you don't you can have a lot of trouble. Canadian customs will seize the trailer until you get plates and they want their 13% sales tax. Get the plates before you pick it up if that is possible or a temporary permit from DOT. If you lie at the border they have the right to take trailer from you and never return it. Check with Canadian border services about importing it. You can probably make arrangements before you bring it over the border days in advance to avoid a hassle and delay. Otherwise you maybe sleeping at the border or leave without trailer until you get proper papers and plates.

I might do what you are doing to do.
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:23 PM   #21
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you do not need plates - transit plates are good enough. Canada Customs will not seize the trailer.. enough said
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Importation formalities Canada

It seems unlikely that Canada customs would actually seize it but will ask as plating is a provincial matter. However, Quebec has told me that I will have to leave it in the customs parking lot and go to get plates at the nearest licence office. I must inform US customs 3 days in advance of my intention to export it and I must have the necessary docs to support the RIV at Canadian customs. Then I pay taxes and go to get my plates
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the 72 hour notice to export only applies to motorised vehicles.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:46 AM   #24
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Thank you for all those replies. @Briantb: The Quebec tax people say that no inspection necessary if under 900kg but I have to leave it at the border and go and get plates at the nearest tax office.
David I have imported twice so I am a little concerned that whoever told you that there is "no inspection necessary if under 900kgs" has not given you accurate information regarding the actual import process. They may not require an inspection on a trailer under 900kgs in order to get it licenced but all imported cars and trailers must be inspected unless it is more than 15 years old.

All the accurate information you will need to import at trailer can be found at "Registrar of Imported Vehicles" also know as RIV.ca.

Regarding putting Canadian plates on a trailer that has not completed the full import process be warned thats a real no no. They can go a little silly on you at the border if you where to put Canadian plates on a trailer that has not yet completed the import process. You can and should obtain temporary permits to move it through the states you travel through (most trailer & car dealers/manufactures will obtain one for you on purchase or if buying used you can obtain them yourself).

Once at the border you will pay the necessary GST and provincial taxes (although in some cases this has not actually been charged until the you go to get to the actual registration). At the border you will also pay to have the trailer entered into the RIV program - currently $195 plus taxes in Quebec the total RIV fee is currently $224.20. They will fill out the paper work for this at the border for you. All vehicles (except buses) that are 15 years old or more from the date of manufacture, are exempt from the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) program. If the trailer is less than 15 years old it must go through the RIV program and you will also need an official U.S. SOC label on the trailer or a letter from the manufacture containing the information normally found on the label such as VIN, make model, date of manufacture, gross vehicle weight ratings and axle weight ratings. If you buy a Scamp or a Casita both companies are well aware of this requirement for importing to Canada and will provide you with a letter for this that you need. Scamp was able to provide one for me using the VIN number of the used trailer I purchased even though I did not purchase it directly from them.

Note that when importing a car the documents must go to the border at least 72 hours prior to taking the car to the US side of the border - that rule does not apply to trailers - just drive up to the border with the trailer and necessary documents. With a car you pick up the stamped documents from the US side of the border and then take it and the car to the Canadian side to clear it the same as a trailer.

After you go through the border you will need to take the trailer some place and park it as it can not be registered or plated until you receive (normally in about 2 weeks) a letter confirming it has been entered into the RIV program which you need to take the trailer to be inspected. You will if you can get it in Quebec a temp permits to take it to inspection (this can be a problem in some provinces). Once the trailer goes through the RIV inspection (can be done at most Canadian Tires for a fee) where they look to see that you have all the necessary lights in the right position and that the lens comply with the DOT requirements & that you have a compliance letter from the manufacturer. In the case of Scamp and Casita they do use the same lens & put them in the right location etc so there should be no issues with passing the inspection. You can then take the forms you were sent and what the inspection facility gives you and the Bill of Sale in to get the trailer registered and insured in Canada and get plates for it. Until you get the forms showing its been inspected you can not register or plate the trailer in Canada. You will also eventually be sent a label showing its been legally imported that needs to go on the trailer.

Hope the above helps.
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the RIV process is mostly electronic now.. last year with our new Scamp we cleared the border at 130pm..by the time we drove 20 minutes home an email with the inspection form was waiting for us.. took the trailer to Canadian Tire for inspection.. we were inspected registered and plated by 4pm same day.. granted it may have been a slow day at RIV.. the official RIV sticker arrived in the mail within a week.
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Of course you will need plates when you pick it up. And don't you need plates for a trailer anywhere in USA? If you don't you can have a lot of trouble. Canadian customs will seize the trailer until you get plates and they want their 13% sales tax. Get the plates before you pick it up if that is possible or a temporary permit from DOT.
Actually Canadian Customs may/can seize the trailer if you put Canadian plates on it before it has been legally imported! Dont ask how I know that!!
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the RIV process is mostly electronic now.. last year with our new Scamp we cleared the border at 130pm..by the time we drove 20 minutes home an email with the inspection form was waiting for us.. took the trailer to Canadian Tire for inspection.. we were inspected registered and plated by 4pm same day.. granted it may have been a slow day at RIV.. the official RIV sticker arrived in the mail within a week.
Suspect it depends on the border crossing - took 8 days for my last import email to arrive from the Peace Arch crossing - which is a pretty busy crossing. But our local Canadian Tire would not except the email - they wanted the hard copy.... go figure ;-) - but the hard copy came in the mail a couple of days later.
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of course could avoid the whole process and buy ours already imported ;-)
Our 2012 Scamp 13 front washroom will be for sale next week when we get home from this trip.
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