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Old 04-11-2007, 04:24 PM   #15
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Thanks for the pics,they tell the story.
Looks like I will need to learn some sewing sooner than I thought.

I am thinking of making the curtain and I will need some more cushions too. The trailer has just beds and no other cushions and I found it difficult to use the beds as seating without some firm cushions. I just wanted to fall asleep whenever I sat down.....Go Figure?

The bathroom needs a lot of work,mainly cleaning and doing something to the walls.

Benita,When I asked what you used to paint yours I was thinking that yours had the blue bath as I saw that one first on your site.
Now that I think about it,is that the trailer that Victor bought?

I am still wondering what to paint the raw fiberglass with though if anyone has an idea,it is not smooth also.

Anyway it has gotten very cold and rainy here again so all is on hold until warm weather creeps back.

Also Brian,the foam I have tween the walls is so soft and formless that I don't think it could have been attached or glued in any way. I may be wrong but I beleive they just slid it in there as insulation.
I have come to beleive that mostly the interior is held in by the luan being curved into a stronger shape and then it is fastened to the floor and the ceiling thus holding it tight.
I will not know more unless I perform some surgery which is really only a matter of time I think.

There must also be some wood attached to the shell at various spots to attach to and I will find a way to attach more so thianks for the adhesives advice too.

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Old 04-11-2007, 06:12 PM   #16
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Benita,When I asked what you used to paint yours I was thinking that yours had the blue bath as I saw that one first on your site.
Now that I think about it,is that the trailer that Victor bought?

I am still wondering what to paint the raw fiberglass with though if anyone has an idea,it is not smooth also.
Hi Ed,

Yep. You are thinking of Victor's trailer. Beth Peery had the trailer painted inside and out. All I remember is the paint she used was hi-gloss and I suspect oil based. My FS bath is a shiny white.
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First off, sorry for being so late in responding. Lots of work up in my area these days.

Secondly, Thanks everyone for the kind words on my work in progress.

Ed, to your questions:

The interior walls were 1/8" or even 3/32" luan plywood that had been covered in wallpaper. Undeneath was a thi(1/4") layer of open cell foam, glued rather haphazardly to the wall. When I did the first round of work on my project, I kept the plywood, but replaced the disintegrating foam with a plastic bubble-wrap type product that was sandwiched between two sheets of foil. It was a tmy local Home Depot as chicken coop insulation! It was available in 24" and 36" wide rolls. I did not keep the brand name.

In my trailer, there were thin strips of 1/2" material at the joints between the plywood sheets that held the sheets together. All was a friction fit. I fiberglassed in 1/2" plywood strips in strategic locations to provide solid support for the wall plywood. See my renos at:

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/551123968ABqdPX

I don't know about the ceiling, the cabinets and the ceiling are this year's project. I intend to fiberglass in strips of backer plywood again, and then screw into the new cabinet support from outside the trailer.

With regard to the bathroom wall paint, it is a high gloss marine enamel used on boats. We had the trailer out in rather cool weather last fall, and the bathroom was very cold. I think I will probably put in some form of insulated fibereglass paneling to address that problem, stay tuned.

The Fllor of the bathroom is a fiberglass component. The back wall, behind the toilet, is a plastic cover panel, as is the wall connecting to the kitchen. In my case, they both were in good shape, with no leaks or rot.

Fredrick Simpson's comments on support sticks reflect my experience as well.

With respect to the shower curtain, all I did was hang an I-beam curtain rod that I curved to fit, with an extra long shower curtain, from the tank vent pipe to over the toilet and to the back wall. Works just fine. Pictures will have to wait til the spring melt is done. THe trailer is out there.

Send me an email direcxtly if I can help you with other questions.

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Old 04-15-2007, 09:50 AM   #18
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Thanks for the insights and experience.
I had looked at your pics over and over but can not see any instance of the blocking that you mention.
I know there must be something in there to at least guide the Luann into postion but in my case there does not feel like anything is behhind the seams at all.
Maybe the screws have popped as they must be very short to grab the blocking but not go thru to the shell?

I am wondering also how you managed to remove the foam and replace it with the reflective insulation.
I can not imagine doing this without removing the interior panels first.

In my bathroom the Kitchen wall seems to be Luan with bad wallpaper on it. I am thinking of stripping the paper the best that I can and then cutting a peice of fiberglass panel from Lowes to fit there on top of the Luan. I will just glue it to the Luan panel and trim the edge somehow.

The outside wall where the kitchen meets the side of the bathroom also has a gap I will have to seal so the shower does not go everywhere when on.

I also can not understand just what they were thinking when it was decided to make you crawl over the toilet to get to the shower????
It seems in all of the other eggs it is the other way around.
Also there is less headroom in the corner where the shower is making it even more strange for some reason?

Everything I do in the bathroom as far as upgrading really needs to be thought out a little more as it is all interconnected so I will give it some more thought before charging ahead.
I need to replace the roof vents from the holding tanks but since the locations may change I can not even do that until I figure something out.

Oh what fun!
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Old 04-15-2007, 12:31 PM   #19
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I, Ellen B. have a Burro not a Fiberstream. Wish I could chime in and help you out but I don't know anything about the Fiberstreams except I like them. Good Luck

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Also Brian,the foam I have tween the walls is so soft and formless that I don't think it could have been attached or glued in any way. I may be wrong but I beleive they just slid it in there as insulation.
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The interior walls were 1/8" or even 3/32" luan plywood that had been covered in wallpaper. Undeneath was a thin(1/4") layer of open cell foam, [b]glued rather haphazardly to the wall. When I did the first round of work on my project, I kept the plywood...

In my trailer, there were thin strips of 1/2" material at the joints between the plywood sheets that held the sheets together. [b]All was a friction fit.
My opinion is that this foam may not have seemed so "formless" when it was new. Victor's report of the joining material holding the sheets together sounds like the a variation of the construction of those shower stalls I mentioned earlier in this post..
"Fiberglass" Magic, indeed!
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[THe original blocking only connected sheet-to-sheet. I put in blocking fiberglassed to the trailer shell.

Yes you do have to remove the walls to remove the foam.

The luan is so thin, I would be concerned with damging it by tring to remove the paper. I would just install new plywood and then paper, or install new wood paneling.

In the bathroom, your idea of a fiberglass panel is ideal, but remove everything off that wall first, rather than coing cutouts. Try to use as complete a sheet as possible.

My opinions for what they're worth.

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Old 04-16-2007, 11:42 AM   #22
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...I also can not understand just what they were thinking when it was decided to make you crawl over the toilet to get to the shower????...
This seemed strange to me when I saw the Fiber Stream layout, too.

In my Boler B1700RGH, the toilet sits directly on top of the blackwater tank, which in turn sits on top of the floor, not hung under the floor like the freshwater and greywater tanks. The area under a toilet is not large enough for the black tank (I think mine is 10 gallons), so the tank extends (back, relative to the toilet, towards the front of the trailer) under the dinette seat. I've heard of similar packaging in other eggs.

I can only guess that the toilet in the Fiber Stream similarly sits on top of the black tank, which is very large (reported as 18 gallons) and then must extend under the closet. If the toilet were in the street side corner, then the black tank would have to extend under the kitchen counter. Maybe I'm guessing wrong and the black tank us under the floor, but with the bathroom right at the back and in a trailer with a very shallow frame, that seems unlikely to me. I'm sure one of the experienced Fiber Stream owners can straighten this out.
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I can only guess that the toilet in the Fiber Stream similarly sits on top of the black tank, which is very large (reported as 18 gallons) <strike>and then must extend under the closet.</strike> If the toilet were in the street side corner, then the black tank would have to extend under the kitchen counter. Maybe I'm guessing wrong and the [b]black tank us under the floor, but with the bathroom right at the back and in a trailer with a very shallow frame, that seems unlikely to me. I'm sure one of the experienced Fiber Stream owners can straighten this out.

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The Black and Gray Holding tanks are [b]identical and are strapped side-by-side beneath the floor, and are made of black plastic. (I slopped some spray primer paint onto the back of the Black Tank) Their bottoms slope down toward the street side; they are <strike> 2 </strike> 3" thick on the high side, and <strike> 4 </strike> 6" thick on the low side, and each is approximately 24" x 48".


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The Black Tank is in back, and is below both the toilet AND shower. The Vent pipe from the Black Tank to the roof is behind the Toilet, inside the Closet. The Toilet is over the shallow half of the Black Tank, and is on a platform elevated 9" above the floor.

The Gray Tank is forward; between the Black Tank and the Rear Axle, and is below the Kitchen Cabinetry AND the floor where you stand to wash at the Double-Bowl Kitchen Sink. The Shower is elevated 5" above the floor, which facilitates it's Drain runing forward laterally ABOVE the floor, into the Kitchen Cabinet area where it joins with the two sink drains. The Vent pipe from the Gray tank to the roof begins under the front corner of the Kitchen Cabinet, then with two 45 degree turn fittings, penetrates the wall between the Kitchen and Shower, and completes the run to the roof in the shower.

To get the Largest Shower square footage possible without intruding into valueable Kitchen real estate, It is located in the corner, and is 30" x 30". (The Closet, in the opposite corner, is 24" x 24".) However, in the intricate jigsaw puzzle of drain plumbing, the shower's elevation makes it lack head room below the compound curves of the corner.

At 5'6" tall, this is no problem FOR ME.
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...To get the Largest Shower square footage possible without intruding into valuable Kitchen real estate, It is located in the corner, and is 30" x 30". (The Closet, in the opposite corner, is 24" x 24".)...
Thanks, Frederick, for the explanation and illustration. With the photo, it seems that the black tank could have been placed above the floor under the toilet - that's as big a step up as my Boler has to clear its tank. I guess the toilet area ends up being about 80"-24"-30"=26" wide and from 24" deep on the closet end to 30" deep on the shower end.

I'm pretty sure I'd prefer to have the toilet in the corner, and an oddly shaped shower area with more headroom - and easier access without having to get past the toilet - but packaging is always a challenge in a trailer.

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... are 2" thick on the high side, and 4" thick on the low side, and each is approximately 24" x 48".
Wow, that's one shallow set of tanks! Mine are 6" to 8" deep, sitting between the 4" tall frame rails.
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That was some description!
I am now wondering if yours has the same odd second vent that mine does under the kitchen sink area?
The one does go up,thru the wall and out the roof from the same area.
The second does go thru the closet and then thru the roof.
But then there is a third "Bonus" vent that seems to come up next to the Gray one and is vented right under the sink?

Any idea?

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Wow, that's one shallow set of tanks! Mine are 6" to 8" deep, sitting between the 4" tall frame rails.
I believe I may have underestimated the depth of the tanks.
It looks like they are 6" thick at the deep end.
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I am now wondering if yours has the same odd second vent that mine does under the kitchen sink area?

The one does go up,thru the wall and out the roof from the same area.

The second does go thru the closet and then thru the roof.

But then there is a third "Bonus" vent that seems to come up next to the Gray one and is vented right under the sink?

Any idea?

Ed

Your "2nd pipe thru the closet and then thru the roof" is the [b]Black tank vent.


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The [b]Top Left picture shows the vertical run of the vent/drain pipe along the left side, just inside the kitchen cabinet door.

The top-most horizontal pipe is the drain from the Bathroom Sink. (Is this your "Bonus" Vent?) I added the [b]Top Right picture so you can follow that pipe into the back corner where the drain turns 90 degrees to penetrate the wall under the bathroom sink, along with the bathroom sink's gray supply lines.

The next horizontal pipe down is the drain for the Kitchen sinks, with the trap.

Then, in the [b]Bottom Left photo we see the short run of the 3rd horizontal pipe. This is the Shower drain. The Vertical pipe goes thru the floor into the Gray Tank.
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I, Ellen B. have a Burro not a Fiberstream. Wish I could chime in and help you out but I don't know anything about the Fiberstreams except I like them. Good Luck

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Oops . I meant Lynn Peters. After looking at her "For Sale" photos in the Classified section I was reminded that most of the work I remember her getting into was flooring specific.
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