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Old 04-18-2011, 09:29 AM   #29
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I doubt you'll have to tow it back to Oregon, but the temporary permit may be needed for camping this summer while you are working it out.
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:26 AM   #30
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Everyone is forecasting doom and gloom. I'm sure this problem can be solved with some work. My solution to this kind of problem is to get a notebook and start making phone calls. Record in said note book phone number, name and extension of everyone you talk to. Talk to people till you get the answer you want and highlight that persons name and number!

Heck if I could get a title on my stolen Boler this should be doable with some work.
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:30 AM   #31
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Perhaps I can get a hold of Man "A" and have him get a duplicate title, send it to me, as the buyer. ? Would that work?
I ran into this before as there is a number of people out there who are trying to be fiberglass trailer resellers. The main reason they are not getting the title put in their name as they would then have to pay their state sales tax. They are buying from the first party and trying to sell to the third party (you) without being a legit dealer, this leaves the final buyer in a big bind in most cases, while they reap the profits. One of the first things a buyer should ask is, do you have a clear title in your name. If the seller doesn't, walk away from the deal.
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:42 AM   #32
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but how can you be sure, with laser printers being able to fool people with fake money. How would you know you have a real title? That's what I personally would wonder anyway.
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Old 04-18-2011, 12:42 PM   #33
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One of the first things a buyer should ask is, do you have a clear title in your name. If the seller doesn't, walk away from the deal.
I'm going to be selling my sailboat- I could have sold it last summer without a title as I needed to get a duplicate, and I decided that it was a bad idea to have someone take it without proper paperwork so didn't sell. (It would have been no problem in California but it is titled in California and I was selling in Washington.) Now I have the title for both trailer and boat and shouldn't run into any issues.
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Old 04-18-2011, 01:03 PM   #34
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Unhappy Document everything

Take all your "evidence" to your DMV. Make print outs of the original ad and anything else from the internet. Bring your receipts for gas and motels driving to and back from Oregon, any document that may apply. You still may have to return to Oregon to clear the title with that state. The only way to avoid that is if PA and OR will work together.

Man B would have helped if he had not placed his name on the California title, a moot point. You are not there. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, is useless at this point.

Let this be a lesson for the future, NEVER buy any titled object that does not have a squeaky clean title, especially such a long distance. If you had driven back from Oregon without the trailer, you would be in a better place than you are now.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:01 PM   #35
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I bought my Burro out of state without a title, only a bill of sale, from someone that had never registered it and purchased it several years earlier. The seller could not even find a vin on the trailer which was lucky for me since I was the 3rd person to look at it. The 1st potential buyer declined because of the rotted floor and the 2nd person declined because of no vin number. I negotiated a price reduction due to the lack of a vin. After I got it home I found the vin stamped on the frame. My state does not require a title for trailers under 3000 lbs. When I first went to the DMV they told me that I needed a vin inspection since it came from out-of-state and they gave me paperwork to fill out. I went back to the DMV with the paperwork filled out and they just issued the registration never even mentioning a vin inspection. It turned out to be real easy.

I had previously purchased a utility trailer out of state with only a bill of sale and went through the same process except that I was required to get the vin inspection.

In case I had trouble at the DMV, I looked up the requirements for a home built trailer and a repaired trailer. I found that in my state if you combine parts from multiple trailers together, you can register it with the vin from either of the trailers. If I had problems registering the Burro, I was going to buy a cheap utility trailer, combine parts from that trailer with the Burro and then register it with the vin from the utility trailer.

There are many legal ways to get the trailer registered without going back across the country.
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:15 PM   #36
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36 Piece 3/8" Steel Letter/Number Stamping Set Just make one up. Do a bill of sale and call it a day.Mine is only on a piece of paper in the closet. I am going to "make" another one on the frame to prevent any future issues in case it peels off. I bought mine in NH. Registered it in my friends name who lives in NH with just a handwritten bill of sale. Then did a bill of sale from him with the registration and had no problem registering it here in Massachusetts.
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:21 PM   #37
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I'm liking Andy's thinking, I also have thought if I have any issues with Cali when I transfer title I will cut the tongue off of my utility trailer and have it welded to the egg, then it kinda sorta will become a modified utility/cargo/ camper.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:18 PM   #38
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We had a simular issue with our Boler. We live in Tennessee and purchased it from a man in Mississippi. He never registered it as he bought it as a project but never got around to starting in and then sold it. All we had was a bill of sale. The local DMV was very difficult to deal with. They were of little to no help with how we could resolve the issue. We found the phone number to the main state office for trailer registrations and called directly there. He was able to direct us with exactly what he needed in order to issue us a new title and registration. We had to get a notarized letter from the previous owner as to why he never registered it. That plus a few other forms that we had to fill out and we were able to get it titled and registered. I suggest that you call directly to the main office for registrations at the state capital and ask to speak with the individual in charge of trailer registrations. Explain the situation to them and they can direct you as to how to most easily resolve your issue. Good luck.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:52 PM   #39
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"Stolen Boler"???? Oh do tell Lizbeth! Inquiring minds want to hear this story, lol.

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Everyone is forecasting doom and gloom. I'm sure this problem can be solved with some work. My solution to this kind of problem is to get a notebook and start making phone calls. Record in said note book phone number, name and extension of everyone you talk to. Talk to people till you get the answer you want and highlight that persons name and number!

Heck if I could get a title on my stolen Boler this should be doable with some work.
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Old 04-19-2011, 02:49 AM   #40
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I do not know how other's vehicle insurance policies read, but my policy states that anything that I drive or attach to my vehicle; whether I own it, borrow it, or rent it; is covered for liability. Liability insurance is all most states require. It may not be correct to state that she is uninsured.
My insurance coverage is just like yours-HOWEVER, like all coverage of any kind I've ever owned, illegal acts void the policy.
Taking an unlicensed vehicle on the road is illegal in every state, and it would be a very forgiving insurance company indeed that would pay any kind of claim in the event of one's being involved in an accident while doing so.
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Old 04-19-2011, 09:37 AM   #41
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That's why I got a temporary operating permit every time I used the trailer for the first year. Even though I never got stopped once and drove with out of state, out of date plates on a trailer towed by a car with an in-state plate. It was kind of a hassle- and the first permit wasn't free and was for three days. California gave me a series of sixty day permits while I was waiting for the registration to come. (I used the trailer normally that year, just always with a temp. permit.)

What I would do when you call the DMV is ask if they can give you a temporary permit. Then you are legal and your insurance will cover you.
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Old 04-19-2011, 04:33 PM   #42
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That's why I got a temporary operating permit every time I used the trailer for the first year. Even though I never got stopped once and drove with out of state, out of date plates on a trailer towed by a car with an in-state plate. It was kind of a hassle- and the first permit wasn't free and was for three days. California gave me a series of sixty day permits while I was waiting for the registration to come. (I used the trailer normally that year, just always with a temp. permit.)

What I would do when you call the DMV is ask if they can give you a temporary permit. Then you are legal and your insurance will cover you.
Most states won't give you a temporary tag unless the title is in the name of someone who titled it in their resident state and is signed over to you witnessed by a notary in the state you are buying it in.
In effect if you the buyer are the third party you are not getting temporary tags, till the title was signed by the second party, and the state taxes are paid by the second party, and the title transfered to the second party in that residents state, he then can sign the new title as the seller to you, and you then can get a temporary tag to get home.
Then you get a new title in your home state after you pay the sales tax in your state. This get complicated fast when you don't have the correct paperwork.
This is why you have titles and they are registered in the state which issued them.
When checking a title, if its not in the first parties name you better walk away from the deal, or you will run into a mess.
Most states but not all require a notary to witness the signing of the title by the seller.
By law a notary of which I am one cannot witness a signature on a title which is being transferred from the first party who isn't present, to the second party who never had the title transferred into their name, and then sold to you the third party.
Most people trying to sell this way are "resellers" which is illegal in all states. The fiberglass trailer market has a number of "resellers", and who are trying to avoid paying sales tax or getting a dealer license. These people are buying all the trailers they think they can make a buck on, without becoming a dealer in their state.
This may work for them but will leave you the final buyer in a great deal of trouble in getting a title for your new to you trailer.
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