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Old 06-24-2016, 10:10 AM   #29
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I was just going to ask about drainage with the rubber track since I was cleaning out the track of one of my sliding windows (which was stuck again). in the process I noticed that the track needs to drain so water can get out the weep holes...

At this point most of the felt is gone from the tracks (at least the bottom track) but I still have the woven metal part. But the window slides again (sort of) so I can camp out tomorrow night. This will be a short shakedown trip to see what really needs to be fixed before the longer trip next month.
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Old 06-24-2016, 04:58 PM   #30
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I did cut a few more slots yesterday evening around an 1/8" wide and about a half inch long length wise, into the rubber. That did let the water drain out so it could flow into the aluminum channel and out through the weep holes. I made the slots right at the bottom edge that faces the exterior placing them near to the weep holes in the aluminum channel and also one halfway between the weep holes. There was no overflow after last nights heavy rain so it seems to have resolved the issue.

I did not want to have to invest more money into felt channel so I did a "hack job" As is true of any hack job, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I got lucky this time.
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Old 06-24-2016, 05:18 PM   #31
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Here is my disclaimer: I have read part of this post but not all of it.

I have not taken my campster windows all of the way out but have replaced the screws on the inside, and yes they came with screens (over 1 side of the window) i replaced those the same way you would a house screen. I used nylon screen and the cord you can buy at any hardware store, and a litle roller.

The fabric channels the window slides back in forth in, i could not find anywhere, There nearest I found is you "may " be able to find that fabric (flat) at a custom automotive place (ie upholstry etc) and soak it and form it into your own u channel.

I wasnt able to find the rubber/plastic strips that actually "hold" the window glass in, but I am presuming a glass shop can help with that . Personally i never made it that far after I couldnt find the channel cloth.

And finally the clamp which grips onto the window I couldnt find, but just checked hardware stores, perhaps an actual window store might have these.

Hopefully this helped, and feel free to PM me if you have any more questions about this, maybe together we can figure something out.
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Old 06-24-2016, 06:06 PM   #32
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Hehr Standard Glass Seal


I ordered a sample of the seal in the photo above from Vintage Trailer Supply to check the fit as a potential replacement part. This seal does fit nicely into the space around the exterior of the fixed pane in the sliding windows. It will seal (lightly) against the glass and it is an improvement over the original in that it hooks over the edge of the aluminum channel so that no water can go down that edge on into the channel. But read on further below to find out what it won't do for you. You will have to take an easy to do step to make this seal work for you.

Here is a photo of the sample in position next to the original, badly UV damaged seal. Big improvement for that grungy old window, badly in need of help!



Unfortunately this seal is not a perfect solution because it will not solve the rattling glass issue that fixed pane is prone to as this seal does not put sufficient pressure against the glass to hold it firmly in position. But that is pretty minor as you can solve the rattle issue by using some silicone to adhere the glass pane along its edge to the aluminum frame. Just apply the silicone in such a way that it can be pulled loose in case you ever need to remove the pane. Also do not let the silicone block any weep holes or prevent water from moving out the weep holes. You can do most of the anti rattle silicone application at the top and side. That fixed glass pane will chip if it rides right against the metal on the edges so there is an advantage to having silicone between the edge of the glass and the aluminum frame.
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Old 06-24-2016, 06:57 PM   #33
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Here is my disclaimer: I have read part of this post but not all of it.

I have not taken my campster windows all of the way out but have replaced the screws on the inside, and yes they came with screens (over 1 side of the window) i replaced those the same way you would a house screen. I used nylon screen and the cord you can buy at any hardware store, and a litle roller.

The fabric channels the window slides back in forth in, i could not find anywhere, There nearest I found is you "may " be able to find that fabric (flat) at a custom automotive place (ie upholstry etc) and soak it and form it into your own u channel.

I wasnt able to find the rubber/plastic strips that actually "hold" the window glass in, but I am presuming a glass shop can help with that . Personally i never made it that far after I couldnt find the channel cloth.

And finally the clamp which grips onto the window I couldnt find, but just checked hardware stores, perhaps an actual window store might have these.

Hopefully this helped, and feel free to PM me if you have any more questions about this, maybe together we can figure something out.
Thanks for contributing. We will solve much of this problem of window restoration by all working together at it. It does require a lot of time to track down sources, order samples, make things that no longer exist, etc.

We do have a local source in Seattle for supplies from the automotive industry, Perfect Fit McDonald. I can go there in person and meet with the sales rep. But all of their felt run channel made with cloth is too wide to fit the Campster.

Size wise there is a felted fabric channel that looks potentially to be a good fit. CRL 7/16" x 3/8" Universal Channel It is made with the same kind of wound metal for support that will eventually rust. But I can only find it in 100 foot rolls minimum. I did not contact them to see if I could obtain a sample. Also note that a sample will not tell you much. Testing with a sample I though the universal fit rubber channel I got you would work. However once the window was all put back together I could not close the window frame back together as it made the channel liner with glass sandwich too tall.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:01 PM   #34
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another seal for the Campster sliding window


I ordered a sample section of this seal from Vintage Trailer Supply and it has proven to be suitable for use in restoring the sliding windows of the Campster
Hehr Clear-View Window Strip

It is a good fit that can be used as one of the seals in the vertical aluminum extrusion that is in the center of the exterior forming the divider between the panes. This seal will locate on the side with the fixed pane of glass in the sliding unit. You will need a 3 foot length to do both of the two sliding windows. It slips into the extrusion channel before you put that piece in place. The side edge of the fixed pane of glass is cushioned against the short leg of the seal and the long leg lays down over the outside surface of the glass to prevent water intrusion. You might need to remove the other exterior seal that holds the fixed pane in place in order to shift the fixed pane into alignment so it butts against the short leg of the seal to help prevent water intrusion into the interior of the Campster. This silicone seal will also help to cushion the edge of the glass to stop rattling.

Unfortunately they currently have a minimum order of 24 feet from Vintage Trailer Supply as they have been selling it for use on the jalousie windows on Airstreams. But I hope we can convince them to sell it to us in a 3 foot length if we let them know it works for the Campster windows. I will put that on my list of email inquiries to make next week to find out if we can buy it as a shorter segment.

I was not even thinking of its use in that position, but then as I was holding it up to where I had considered it going I glanced in the right direction and realized I had another Bingo. Sometimes I get lucky

While I wish I could create a full materials list and a step by step photo tutorial for restoring the sliding windows I am not there yet on finding all the pieces of the puzzle of seals and parts. At this point I don't know if I will end up ordering new windows or continue on with the restoration; I am just documenting as I go along. I know it is not optimal but at least we are getting somewhat closer to being able to keep water out and have working sliding windows. I still have a few seals to find replacement solutions for.
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Old 06-26-2016, 02:42 PM   #35
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Another potential piece of the sliding window replacement seal puzzle has just showed up on Vintage Trailer Supply as a brand new item. Unfortunately it is not yet in stock so I have no way to order a sample. This piece will insert into the exterior vertical divider. It seals against the sliding window to keep out water, dirt, drafts, etc. (I did a temporary replacement fix for this seal on my window with piece of windshield wiper but it is not the perfect size)

I can't wait to get my hands on it to confirm my thinking that this is going to have fins that are tall enough to wipe against the sliding pane. It is a replacement for the 1960's era sliding windows so hopefully that means our Campster sliding windows will also be able to use it. With that slant on the fins you would install it one direction on the right side of the trailer and the opposite direction on the left. It will wipe water off the surface of the glass as you slide the window open.

I am trying to focus on using Vintage Trailer Supply for as many of the window gaskets as possible as they are having them made in silicone which won't have the shrinking and hardening problems of the original vinyl materials.

If this vertical finned seal proves out that leaves one last seal to find a replacement for. I think I will send Vintage Trailer Supply a chunk of it and see if it is in their plans to produce it in silicone. I will hold off on getting that one for a while longer if it is going to be available in silicone to match the rest of the seals. I do have an alternative potential candidate for that sole remaining seal but it is only made in black vinyl. I really would prefer it if all the seals matched in color, it just looks a lot more professional.

In case you are curious how to quickly sort out how to out the best candidates for a seal one of the things I do is take measurements from the window and/or existing seal. Then on the internet I try to find a measured image of the potential candidates for a seal that show a sectional view with the dimension lines shown on that view. Then I use the clipping tool on my computer and clip it right at the leader lines of a known dimension and save that as an image file. I then import it into a graphics program, in my case I am using Corel Draw for the graphic work. When I select that image in the program I can go to the size box that shows the height and width of the imported image, then I lock those dimensions to remain proportional. The next step is to type in correct size of the dimension that belong to the part. Then I can print it out as its real size and hold that image next to my original seal. I could even trim the image on the paper and test fit it at the location but so far I have not had to do that.

After 3 weeks of searching and testing and ordering samples there is now some strong light at the end of this tunnel even though we are not quite through it.
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Old 06-28-2016, 09:53 PM   #36
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Thanks to seeing a catalog with window parts on an unrelated window fix I managed to track down as "gray universal glazing spline" from CRL. It will work for the vinyl spline on the fixed pane for my 2 sliding windows as well that the fixed window at the front.

I located an Ebay seller who was offering a 100 foot roll of it for about $20.00 plus $5.00 for economy shipping. Now that is what I call budget friendly and I will still have lots of it left over. Having seen so many of the vinyl seals selling for $1.00 to almost $5.00 per foot a price of $0.20 cents per foot does rate as being affordable.
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Old 07-06-2016, 04:06 PM   #37
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universal glazing spline CRL Campster windows

I received my roll of universal glazing spline, made by the CR Laurence Company. It is a PERFECT FIT to replace the vinyl seal that is used around the fixed window in the front and also the fixed window section in the sliders.

Here is a source for a 25' length of it. 59-068 Universal Glazing Spline, 25' : SWISCO.com

Other places sell it in a 100' roll for around $20.00. Check Ebay and Amazon for the best price on the 100' roll.



This will really help dress up those old windows and also solve some of the leaking issues. It comes in grey or black.
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Old 08-08-2016, 07:28 PM   #38
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vertical sweep seal sliding window


CRL Translucent Shower Door Vinyl "T" Seal and Sweep for 7/16" Maximum Gap - 32-5/8 in long


I finally got around to installing a seal I ordered for the sliding window. It goes on the exterior side of the window on the underside, against the glass of the vertical dividing bar. The original seal for mine was triple finned and had shrunk with time and also hardened.

What I put in its place was a clear vinyl seal made for installing on the bottom of a shower door. It has a single long fin, the top edge of the T shape is exactly the right width and thickness to fit into the T slot of the aluminum extrusion. While the illustration of the product makes it look as if the T is a 90 degree angle it is not, it has a slant in one direction. That is actually a nice advantage. You will face the slant towards the rear door. The seal then lays nicely and invisibly against the glass and will keep out the bugs and the drafts or driving rain. The window slides open easily and closes easily with the seal in place. I was dubious before I installed it as the product has a wavy edge from the vinyl being placed onto a roll while still warm as it came out of the extrusion machine, but it flattened out just fine once it was in place. Depending on where you order it there may or may not be adhesive applied to the top of the T. If you have a choice go for the one without adhesive or otherwise just leave the protective paper on the adhesive and slide it on up into the T. It is captured and going no where so adhesive is not required and would only make it difficult to slide into the slot.

It cost me just under $5.00 with free shipping. Keeping the skeeters, water and the drafts out...priceless
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