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04-20-2012, 11:44 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Dave W
Trailer: Trillium 4500 - 1976, 1978, 1979, 1300 - 1977, and a 1973
Alberta
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Actually, I can buy that a soldered connection that sees flexing could be more subject to breakage, there would be a high strain where the flexible copper is pulled against the far more ridged solder joint. The lesson here is that strain relief is good. I am now convinced that I will put two layers of heat shrink on anything that I suspect may get tugged on, (I didn't know what to do with the bigger heat shrink anyway).
At the same time, when I installed a Fantastic fan, the corrosion on the wire around the original crimped connections was pretty bad. These connections were indoors, in the cabinet above the stove. It went about 2" under the insulation on the wires, which surprised me, since this was not a place that I expected moisture.
I stripped them back to good copper twisted them up with my fan wires and soldered and then marretted them.
I am not a corrosion engineer, but I am assuming that the tin in the solder should act as a sacrificial anode and thus keep this kind of corrosion from happening in the future.
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04-20-2012, 11:50 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2002 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 3,640
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Dialectic grease could be an answer as it shields the connection from the elements. Tail lights usually come with a small tube of this stuff just for this purpose.
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04-20-2012, 01:07 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Michael
Trailer: 1985 16 ft Scamp
Ohio
Posts: 107
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brake controller Install
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Originally Posted by fusedlight
I just got a quote from my local U-Haul for $330 to install their "Prodigy" controller on my Rav4. That sound in the ballpark?
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Here is a picture of my very recent (last month) In-Dash istallation on my Toyota Tundra.
If your Rav 4 is not already pre-wired for trailering, the $330.00 sounds like a fair deal. After wiring several vehicles myself, laying on the ground, grit in the eyes, I would pay that for a total installation!
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04-20-2012, 04:07 PM
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Moderator
Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
Posts: 8,222
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Off topic discussion removed
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Originally Posted by Darwin Maring
And in the beginning I said: The ground discussion always creates controversy.
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I removed the controversial posts. The original question has been adequately answered.
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04-20-2012, 07:21 PM
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Senior Member
Name: David
Trailer: 1978 Trillium 1300
Cumberland, Indiana
Posts: 392
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick L. Simson
I removed the controversial posts. The original question has been adequately answered.
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Controversy is very subjective. It's your forum, and we must abide by your subjective rules to participate in an otherwise very informative and highly helpful forum. However, removing posts is still censorship. I apologize if my comments have offended anyone.
Spanke
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04-20-2012, 10:22 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp
Posts: 7,056
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanke
Controversy is very subjective. It's your forum, and we must abide by your subjective rules to participate in an otherwise very informative and highly helpful forum. However, removing posts is still censorship. I apologize if my comments have offended anyone.
Spanke
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The moderators know who to censor, it's always the engineer.
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04-21-2012, 11:06 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Helite
Posts: 164
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Here’s some food for thought: If electricity moved from Negative to Positive in direction then the frame could be considered a Buss and the other wire the return and only going to one spot in the camper.
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04-21-2012, 11:07 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Helite
Posts: 164
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I often wandered where engineers that squeked by and got degrees worked.
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04-21-2012, 03:33 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2002 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 3,640
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Sounds like Art wants to have that P contest with the engineer.
Shame on you Art.
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04-21-2012, 03:53 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,711
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Everyone please stay on topic. It's about electric brakes.
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
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04-21-2012, 08:42 PM
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Moderator
Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
Posts: 8,222
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Community Rules
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Originally Posted by Spanke
Controversy is very subjective. It's your forum, and we must abide by your subjective rules to participate in an otherwise very informative and highly helpful forum. However, removing posts is still censorship. I apologize if my comments have offended anyone.
Spanke
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Selected portions from the above link. We invite everyone to read the whole thing:
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04-22-2012, 09:28 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2000 Scamp 16 ft Side Dinette
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The brakes on my Scamp 16 are grounded thru the frame. This is how the good folks at the factory set it up.
Having said that... it isn't wrong to run a separate ground wire for the brakes, and if you are having trouble it would be a good idea.
-- Dan Meyer
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04-22-2012, 11:11 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Matt and Lindsey
Trailer: 1972 Boler 1300
British Columbia
Posts: 140
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Ok this topic is all over the place about grounds. The wife and I are restoring our 72 Boler and we added brakes and I recently redid the wiring. I did not bother using the old wiring as a guide as it was a mess and confused me with the various colour changes and the odd wire that ended abruptly.
So far I have ran one ground for the whole trailer (Brakes,Tail lights, side markers) and have tied that into the 7 way plug. I have yet to test my wiring connectors to our TV so I can not say if it was a success. So I ask this...Is this setup adequate? I understand that multiple grounds can be good and wanted to seek some advice to see if I am doing the right thing.
Thanks
Matt
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04-23-2012, 06:02 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Logan
Trailer: 1976 Scamp 13'
Wisconsin
Posts: 230
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bomni
Ok this topic is all over the place about grounds. The wife and I are restoring our 72 Boler and we added brakes and I recently redid the wiring. I did not bother using the old wiring as a guide as it was a mess and confused me with the various colour changes and the odd wire that ended abruptly.
So far I have ran one ground for the whole trailer (Brakes,Tail lights, side markers) and have tied that into the 7 way plug. I have yet to test my wiring connectors to our TV so I can not say if it was a success. So I ask this...Is this setup adequate? I understand that multiple grounds can be good and wanted to seek some advice to see if I am doing the right thing.
Thanks
Matt
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As long as the ground wire is of sufficient gauge you should be fine. Plus, if something goes wrong, it'll be far easier to diagnose and repair on the road.
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04-24-2012, 08:53 PM
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Moderator
Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
Posts: 8,222
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I reinstated the deleted posts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carol H
Dont get me wrong I am not in anyway criticizing the Moderators or the forums owners, and I have no issue with the politics policy and I think the Moderators here do an amazing job and I don't envy them. I also think that having clear policies works well for this forum. I also don't like to see Moderators work load increased but IMHO this particular topic needs to be looked at as it is one as Dave has clearly pointed out that can do way more harm than good.
As I said thats just MHO.
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Some moderators read each and every post every time. Others scan as best we can, when we can, but the volume of posts (AND THE VOLUME OF POSTS) can be overwhelming. The Moderators are in this for the Love of the niche and genre, we are not paid for the sometimes excessive (ask our significant others) time we spend here. We are not required to read each and every post. Some of us still labor at full time employment, and we have other fires to put out.
Having said that, I just stumbled upon the controversy of this thread. My "needs to be read" index is up to 4 pages of Topics.
If I were to be consistent with the past, I would spend a lot of time editing and deleting... But sometimes it may be helpful for others to see how these discussions devolve into problems. I will just close the topic here, and let others make up their own minds.
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