Ensolite replacement option - need help - Fiberglass RV


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-31-2015, 10:07 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Name: Mike
Trailer: Always Shopping
British Columbia
Posts: 12
Ensolite replacement option - need help

Newly purchased 1972 Boler 1300 - I have started removing the mold covered, torn Ensolite and we are considering using this spray material as a replacement. Does anyone have experience with this or something similar.

Versi-Foam

Spray Foam I Spray Foam Applications I Versi-Foam Systems

Mike
__________________

__________________
cityslicker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 01:17 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
FRED SMAILES's Avatar
 
Name: Fred
Trailer: 13 ft Boler
Kootenay's of BC
Posts: 624
Registry
The problem I see with that material is
1- controlling the thickness on application
2- how do you smooth the service for a finish product
3- what glue will work on it?

Would not be my choice.

The ensolite is about as get as it gets for these little trailers.
I think it is still available.
Second would be what Robert Johans does on his builds.
Fred
__________________

__________________
FRED SMAILES is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 02:22 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
sarahspins's Avatar
 
Name: Sarah
Trailer: 1984 13' Scamp named "Ramblin Rose"
Texas
Posts: 159
Registry
I would like to clarify this point, because I keep seeing it posted, and I think it can be misleading for a lot of people.

Ensolite foam is still available. The vinyl-coated ensolite product used on the interior of our campers is not. I've also seen it argued that ensolite foam on it's own isn't really the best insulator, and all kinds of other anecdotal information that suggests that it's really not the best solution when used on it's own - the vinyl coated product had the advantage of being an "all in one" solution, but there really is no equivalent single product available today.

What most people do when replacing the ensolite is to glue up a layer (or two) of reflectix insulation and then lay down hull liner on top of that. I removed a section of ensolite below my rear window that I won't be re-installing, instead my plan is to glue in a layer of reflectix where I removed the ensolite and then adhere a layer of vinyl fabric on top of that for a better finished appearance - because it's a relatively flat area I don't anticipate any trouble getting it to fit well, while the same material would definately be problematic in the more curved areas of the camper. I had thought about using hull liner, but it's such a small area that the vinyl won out just by being easier to acquire

Also, I completely agree that any kind of spray foam is not going to be an ideal solution for the interior - it's going to be too difficult to apply evenly and there is still the issue of what to cover it with.
__________________
sarahspins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 02:54 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
David Tilston's Avatar
 
Name: Dave W
Trailer: Trillium 4500 - 1977, 1978 (2), 1300 - 1977, 1973, and a 1972
Alberta
Posts: 5,315
Registry
I see no reason that Ensolite, painted with a vinyl paint, would not be just as good as the coated stuff. I would paint it after it is up though.

To be clear, this is not something I have actually done.
__________________
David Tilston is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 04:56 PM   #5
Junior Member
 
Name: Beth
Trailer: eventually
Ontario
Posts: 23
This may have been covered elsewhere or be common knowledge around here but putting Reflectix directly on the shell without first putting an air space between the reflectix and the FG is going to do no one any good at all.

Reflectix is a radiant barrier and actually has very little insulation property. Given an air space between it and the wall, it works really well for keeping radiant heat from the sun out.

Bubble wrap works really well for creating the necessary air space.
__________________
Almost There is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 06:07 PM   #6
Member
 
ArneB's Avatar
 
Name: Arne
Trailer: Boler 1975
Email
Posts: 45
Almost There did you use bubble wrap on the walls before applying ensolite? I'm very interested in what type/ thickness you used. And have you had any difficulties with fastening ensolite to bubble wrap?


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
__________________
ArneB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 06:10 PM   #7
Commercial Member
 
Ian G.'s Avatar
 
Name: Ian
Trailer: 1974 Boler 1300 - 2014 Escape 19'
Alberta
Posts: 1,304
Registry
My biggest concern regarding any type of spray foam is the off-gassing. Reports seem mixed, lab tests seem to indicate it is bad stuff where the manufacturers and installers say it is safe

I for one wouldn't even consider it in the small confined space of a trailer
Ian G. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 06:28 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
FRED SMAILES's Avatar
 
Name: Fred
Trailer: 13 ft Boler
Kootenay's of BC
Posts: 624
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarahspins View Post
I would like to clarify this point, because I keep seeing it posted, and I think it can be misleading for a lot of people.

Ensolite foam is still available. The vinyl-coated ensolite product used on the interior of our campers is not. I've also seen it argued that ensolite foam on it's own isn't really the best insulator, and all kinds of other anecdotal information that suggests that it's really not the best solution when used on it's own - the vinyl coated product had the advantage of being an "all in one" solution, but there really is no equivalent single product available today.

What most people do when replacing the ensolite is to glue up a layer (or two) of reflectix insulation and then lay down hull liner on top of that. I removed a section of ensolite below my rear window that I won't be re-installing, instead my plan is to glue in a layer of reflectix where I removed the ensolite and then adhere a layer of vinyl fabric on top of that for a better finished appearance - because it's a relatively flat area I don't anticipate any trouble getting it to fit well, while the same material would definately be problematic in the more curved areas of the camper. I had thought about using hull liner, but it's such a small area that the vinyl won out just by being easier to acquire

Also, I completely agree that any kind of spray foam is not going to be an ideal solution for the interior - it's going to be too difficult to apply evenly and there is still the issue of what to cover it with.
Thanks for the clarification on the ensolite!
I must have misread or misremembered another post.
Fred
If there is any way to salvage the ensolite, that would be my first choice.
Clean, patch tears, and paint, and really I dislike painting it but might be a choice for you.
__________________
FRED SMAILES is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 07:10 PM   #9
Junior Member
 
Name: Beth
Trailer: eventually
Ontario
Posts: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArneB View Post
Almost There did you use bubble wrap on the walls before applying ensolite? I'm very interested in what type/ thickness you used. And have you had any difficulties with fastening ensolite to bubble wrap?


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
Quoted from 'Sarahspins' post (#3)

What most people do when replacing the ensolite is to glue up a layer (or two) of reflectix insulation and then lay down hull liner on top of that


I wasn't talking about ensolite at all. I've never used it. I'm still contemplating future trailers but like the FG ones best.

What I was referring to was Sarahspins application of reflectix.

Over at cheaprvliving we've got lots of people with experience with reflectix and it's application to various campers.

What we're doing there is to either adhere bubble wrap to the walls and then apply reflectix using metal tape or, what I'm doing is attaching the bubble wrap to the one side of reflectix and then applying it as a two part material to the walls and ceiling.

In any case, what I was trying to point out was that reflectix applied directly to the wall of a trailer will be a waste of time and money. It has almost no insulation value and without an air space between it and the trailer, it will not work as a radiant barrier.
__________________
Almost There is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 08:12 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Donna D.'s Avatar
 
Name: Donna D
Trailer: Escape 5.0 TA, 2014
Oregon
Posts: 24,433
Quote:
Originally Posted by Almost There View Post
This may have been covered elsewhere or be common knowledge around here but putting Reflectix directly on the shell without first putting an air space between the reflectix and the FG is going to do no one any good at all.

Reflectix is a radiant barrier and actually has very little insulation property. Given an air space between it and the wall, it works really well for keeping radiant heat from the sun out.

Bubble wrap works really well for creating the necessary air space.
Guess you should tell all the molded towable manufacturers they're doing it wrong... Just pulling your chain, but honestly, that's what they do, just glue the reflectix right to the shell. In fact I own two trailers built that way!
__________________
Donna D.
Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
Donna D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 08:19 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Donna D.'s Avatar
 
Name: Donna D
Trailer: Escape 5.0 TA, 2014
Oregon
Posts: 24,433
Mike, I'm going to share a link. Check out Brad and Jennifer's beautiful boler. Lots and lots of pictures. They used uncoated ensolite and painted it gray. Picasa Web Albums - Jennifer Page - BOLER#
__________________
Donna D.
Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
Donna D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2015, 09:44 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Jon in AZ's Avatar
 
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 5,558
Registry
I'm confused. The Reflectix insulation we're talking about actually contains a layer of bubble wrap sandwiched between two layers of reflective film.

From the product description at http://www.amazon.com/Reflectix-BP24...dp/B0022NH3E4:
"A reflective insulation consisting of two outer layers of 96-percent reflective film, bonded to two layers of heavy gauge polyethylene bubbles (nominal thickness: 5/16-Inch)" [emphasis added]

I am aware that there has been some debate over just what the R-value is and whether it may have been overstated by the manufacturer and/or misrepresented by installers, but even the most conservative estimates make it at least as good as Ensolite. Scamp's claim of R-15 is probably optimistic, but nevertheless it is commonly used in a variety of automotive and RV applications and seems to do the job reasonably well.

I agree that saving the existing Ensolite would be the best option, but if it is indeed too far gone, then hull liner over Reflectix would be my second choice.
__________________
Jon in AZ is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2015, 08:06 AM   #13
Junior Member
 
Name: Beth
Trailer: eventually
Ontario
Posts: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D. View Post
Guess you should tell all the molded towable manufacturers they're doing it wrong... Just pulling your chain, but honestly, that's what they do, just glue the reflectix right to the shell. In fact I own two trailers built that way!

From Reflectix own web site:

What if There is No Air Space Present on Either Side of the Product?
No Air Space = No Reflective Insulation Benefit
(An R-1.1 is provided from the product itself for the Reflective/Double Bubble material.)

The bold is their own.

Here's a Q&A section of their website that might be helpful to those of you contemplating using their product in the renovation of your trailers.

All About Reflectix® | Frequently Asked Questions
__________________
Almost There is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2015, 09:25 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
David Tilston's Avatar
 
Name: Dave W
Trailer: Trillium 4500 - 1977, 1978 (2), 1300 - 1977, 1973, and a 1972
Alberta
Posts: 5,315
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D. View Post
Mike, I'm going to share a link. Check out Brad and Jennifer's beautiful boler. Lots and lots of pictures. They used uncoated ensolite and painted it gray. Picasa Web Albums - Jennifer Page - BOLER#
Do they say what brand of paint they use?
__________________

__________________
David Tilston is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
For Sale: Bargman L-300 Door locks for Trilliums and other option - direct replacement Lock idiotsniff Parts: Buy | Sell | Trade 0 01-13-2012 11:56 AM
Sub floor replacement option kev_ev Problem Solving | Owners Helping Owners 3 09-23-2010 10:45 AM
New Option for ensolite... thenoob Problem Solving | Owners Helping Owners 0 09-20-2010 08:47 PM
Need help locating ensolite Perry Mac Donald Problem Solving | Owners Helping Owners 3 05-07-2009 05:22 PM
ensolite replacement Lisa Rynearson Care and Feeding of Molded Fiberglass Trailers 5 04-10-2006 07:46 PM

» Upcoming Events
No events scheduled in
the next 465 days.
» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.