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Old 09-05-2016, 11:31 AM   #15
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VERY good advice Bruce! I teach safety at work and can NOT figure out why it would be wrong to mention a "Horror story" that MAY save somebody's - that isnt in the know- EYESIGHT! Everyone needs to hear this be them male OR female! Thanks for posting your experience.
I would have posted the same, but I wasn't looking for a fight.
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Old 09-05-2016, 01:21 PM   #16
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People mostly ignore safety precautions because things such as putting on safety glasses is an inconvenience. It does not matter how you tell them or how often you tell them, they still won't do it if it is too inconvenient.

I have since the 1970s had my everyday glasses made with high impact plastics and impact resistant frames since I am frequently working with tools.

I know that I do not like inconvenience so I protect myself from myself
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Old 09-05-2016, 01:56 PM   #17
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It's a constant battle where I work as well. But for me it is NOT. I personally know a man that was running a disc grinder with no glasses when it shredded and he lost an eye! I wear safety glasses even when I'm weed eating!

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People mostly ignore safety precautions because things such as putting on safety glasses is an inconvenience. It does not matter how you tell them or how often you tell them, they still won't do it if it is too inconvenient.

I have since the 1970s had my everyday glasses made with high impact plastics and impact resistant frames since I am frequently working with tools.

I know that I do not like inconvenience so I protect myself from myself
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Old 09-05-2016, 03:36 PM   #18
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I got very, very serious about eye protection in grad school when a new post doc came who had lost one eye and had serious problems with the other because she had removed her safety glasses to squint at a reaction vessel when it blew up. I always told that story to my students in chemistry labs. Some did ignore it, but others were very cautious, and a few may have retained their eyesight as a result, as a couple of times we did have a reaction splash into someone's face- thank God, never when they had removed their glasses. I'm less good about wearing them around tools, though since I do have impact resistant lenses I have some protection. I should wear them to protect my expensive lenses.
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Old 09-05-2016, 04:52 PM   #19
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I also almost lost an eye last winter.

I do volunteer work at World Cup ski races - we build the courses and while the races are on we act as race officials.

Prior to the race my crew was charged with installing all the wiring for the international TV Crews. To do that we had to use chain saws to cut big trenches across the ski race course in order to bury the wires - the snow had been well packed down and sprayed with water over several days to freeze it (racers like the courses to be rock solid ice for speed - not fresh snow). At one point I took my safety googles off for to clean them off - within 10 secs a chuck of ice from a crew member working with a chain saw about 25' from me, flew up and cut my eye. The nearest Emergency hospital was about 40 mins away and once I got there they advised they were not equipped to deal with it - they only had an Optometrist & the damage was to serious for them to deal with.. Best they could do was freeze the eye for the 2.5 hour drive to get me to an eye surgeon. I was very fortunate that I did not do worse to it than I did! Happy to say that in the end I did make it back to work the actual race days (though it hurt like heck) & no long term eye sight damage done. Although I was told that had I cut my eye just a very tiny bit further over I would have lost my sight. I do have to watch it though as apparently it could decide to rip open again at any given time.... no sure thing it will be fine forever.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:42 PM   #20
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Big accomplishments for me today! Karin came over and we looked at the leak areas I had identified, and a few others as well.

I saw my trailer thru new eyes and learned so much about its construction, strong and weak points.

I drilled out my first rivet, used butyl tape, took a trip to Home Depot for a rivet puller and stainless screws, and made my first repair!

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We also had a chance to do some metal work, use putty, check out a dremel, look at my roof for sags and study my door. The time flew and I learned so much. I highly recommend to anyone to take any opportunity to get some in person instruction from someone knowledgeable.

Thanks Karin!



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Old 09-05-2016, 11:10 PM   #21
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Big accomplishments for me today! Karin came over and we looked at the leak areas I had identified, and a few others as well.

I saw my trailer thru new eyes and learned so much about its construction, strong and weak points.

I drilled out my first rivet, used butyl tape, took a trip to Home Depot for a rivet puller and stainless screws, and made my first repair!

Thanks Karin!
Lise,

Sounds like a great outcome!

I expect you'll soon be foot-dragging through the hardware stores and casting covetous eyes at all the tool displays.
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:30 AM   #22
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Thats Great! The drilling out of the first rivet is always the scariest! The rest will be a snap and you will not be hesitant to replace anything that looks suspect now.

A rivet puller? Dang I dont even have one of those! ;-)
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Old 09-06-2016, 12:17 PM   #23
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On Lise's Boler we found that original rivets were not pulled tight against the backside of the shell. There was barely any compression on any of them. Not surprising there were leaks!

The installers either did not know how to use a puller, the rivet installation tool was defective or the foam with vinyl inside of the shell wall finish was interfering. Hard to know exactly what went wrong but something did.

It won't be the easiest job to drill the heads off the rivets of as some of them have so little compression on them that the whole rivet spins around when you drill. It will call for measures such as wedging sharp end of a chisel just under the head to apply enough pressure to keep the head from spinning. One one such rivet started pulling out all together when slipping the wedge under the head but it would not pull all the way out of the hole. I then cut the shaft of the rivet with a Dremel cut off tool and drove the shaft back into the hole and on out the backside with an 1/8" drive pin punch. A drive pin punch that matches the rivet size is the proper tool for knocking the rivets out of the hole.

It was a good thing that she asked for instruction as her rivet head removal operation is not exactly going to be easy with the issue of some of the rivets spinning while trying to drill the head off. But at least now she knows what she is up against and what to do.
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Old 09-15-2016, 09:33 PM   #24
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I am so glad you posted all this info on the rivets. I have a 2013 16' Scamp. I found 3 rivets that leak so far on the ceiling. As a temporary measure we put gorilla tape squares over them on the outside. I sure didn't expect to have these problems on something this new. I am going to have to learn about the drilling out. I am not looking forward to this. The tape will last until Spring and by them maybe I will have gained some confidence.
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Old 09-16-2016, 02:57 AM   #25
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I am so glad you posted all this info on the rivets. I have a 2013 16' Scamp. I found 3 rivets that leak so far on the ceiling. As a temporary measure we put gorilla tape squares over them on the outside. I sure didn't expect to have these problems on something this new. I am going to have to learn about the drilling out. I am not looking forward to this. The tape will last until Spring and by them maybe I will have gained some confidence.
Anne, gaining confidence for drilling out rivets is not that difficult. Get a piece of scrap metal or some such material. Buy some rivets and a puller. You need a drill and motor. Then put some rivets into the material and then drill them back out. Takes all the worry out of it if you practice on something that you can mess up on. Try to actually have some fun with learning how to do it. Give yourself permission to be a beginner going through a learning curve
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Old 09-16-2016, 08:35 AM   #26
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I will be practicing. I love Harbor Freight and I will buy my rivet gun and puller there. Then look out. The rivets that are leaking look like they were too long and didn't snug up. They hang below the rat fur and are very loose. Do you use screws, maybe a silicone washer and nut to replace them? Or if you rivet again, how do you know what length to use? Thanks for the solutions. Annie
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I am joining this thread - it's not the correct thread but it is about leaks. We had a torrential rainstorm to drive through - our trailer had puddles under the bench areas - both on the dining side and couch side. Typically, when sitting in the rain, the trailer stays dry - it was only when we drove through the rain for two hours we noticed this issue. Soooo . . . . we are wondering why and where. AS well, I would love someone to direct me to a thread where it tells us how to take the roof vent (mesh with metal ball string for opening and closing) out - reseal and put it back on.

Really hoping someone sees this question and I get some direction.

Thanks so much!
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Old 10-29-2016, 05:37 PM   #28
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I don't know the layout of the Trill, but the one place that is often overlooked is the window frame drain (weep) holes. These, and the channel which they drain, need to be clean to work properly.
Are there any opportunities for leaks in the front of the trailer, in the areas that the rain might be pushed in by the wind? At 60mph it it a 60mph steady wind. Tough to resist that.
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