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Old 08-08-2007, 06:34 PM   #1
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Hi, we are new to posting on here but have been lurkers for sometime. We have been searching the forums for information about generators but haven't really seen the anwsers to what we are looking for. We have a 2003 16' Scamp with roof AC (duo-therm). It seems everyone we have talked to about it has given us different answers and we really need to get a generator soon, as our next trip is 4-5 days in the desert so AC is going to be a must during part of the day.

At the local CampingWorld when I have asked them, they have told me that I need to get (2) of the Honda EU2000i generators and link them together. Don't get me wrong, this would be an awesome setup I am sure, but I don't really have the $2300+ sitting around to go this route.

At a local RV dealer, which sells Yamaha generators, one of the salesmen told me if he were looking for a generator he would go to HarborFreieght and get something cheap. I am considering doing that, but I "know" harborfrieght and depending on what they have I do not want to be stuck in 100+ degree heat with a broken generator that I just bought.

Ok, trying to wrap this up so my first post doesn't turn into a novel.....

What kind of watts do I legitimately need to run an AC 4-5 hours off of?

If you have a generator and run a AC off of it, could you please post the brand, watts and how much it cost you. And would you buy it again?

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Old 08-08-2007, 07:26 PM   #2
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I bought a EU2000i Honda and it does the job. It runs my A/C or microwave, etc. This Honda is known for being very quiet and does not bother your neighbors.

YES, they cost more, but you get what you pay for. Cheap generators work well for contractors, NOT campers.

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Old 08-08-2007, 07:35 PM   #3
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The reason you are getting different answers is that there are different a/c units and they have different starting currents. Call the a/c manf with model and serial numbers and ask them; they built the beast and they should have specs. Also ask if there is a 'hard start' kit available for your a/c; it reduces the starting load.

Keep in mind that the hotter it is outside and the harder your a/c is working, the harder it will be to start it up just at the time you most need it.

One of the best ways to keep everything under control is to find a way to rig a tarp over the egg to keep it in shade.

The drawback to the large, cheaper generators is that they make a lot of noise for both you and your neighbors, in part because they have to run at a high speed in order to produce 60Hz power, whereas the Honda/Kipor/Yamaha/Mitsubishi and other inverter-based generators can run quietly until they are needed and even then run much more quietly.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:35 PM   #4
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A lower cost substitute is the Kipor. Cost about 2/3rds. They are knock offs of the Honda. Their website

There are dealers all over.
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One potential drawback, however, is that I don't believe they have a way yet to connect two generators for a combined output if needed.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:02 PM   #6
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One potential drawback, however, is that I don't believe they have a way yet to connect two generators for a combined output if needed.
Yep, they now do although I donít think you need it.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:07 PM   #7
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One potential drawback, however, is that I don't believe they have a way yet to connect two generators for a combined output if needed.
According to thier web site they do!
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:11 PM   #8
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I bought my first EU2000i Honda after testing it when the temperature was 113į outside. I took my Casita down to the store and it ran my Air Conditioning with no problem. I have had it for over six years and it works great.

I bought a 3500 Kipor online, from a Florida dealer, for my houseboat and it had a warranty problem. Kipor sent me to a local California dealer who fixed it cheerfully. I had another issue (Choke cable came lose & clogged air filter with bugs), and they fixed it again under warranty. It has run perfectly now for a year.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:40 PM   #9
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I posted this review of a ProForce 2500 watt generator recently,($279 at Walmart), here's the link...

http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/index.ph...c=25010&st=

Before you buy ANYTHING, know how much wattage you need when you use your trailer to run EVERYTHING, or as many "creature comfort" necessities you need. To know this nugget of handy info get one of these...

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/sto...21255_200321255

It's an Reliance AMWATT Load tester, plug your trailer in it, then plug it into your power source, you'll then know the wattage or amperage of the current you are drawing at any time.

Assuming you are camping with just the AC fan running, a 110v fridge, one florescent light, a small TV, a DVD player and maybe some other small gadget, you'll find that most of the time you'll be needing only 400 - 800 watts of electrical power. But when the AC Compressor cycles on, or the fridge starts up, your power needs can spike upwards to 2000-3000 watts or more.

When shopping consider this higher demand plus a shade bit more.

Also IMHO, salesman would LOVE for you to think you need two generators, not for your power needs but rather for their commission incentive. Know FIRST how much power YOU need BEFORE you SELL YOURSELF on what you want to buy. (Don't get suckered by hype)

Read my review of the Proforce... I'm very impressed and happy with it, AND I spent less than $300!
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Old 08-09-2007, 12:17 AM   #10
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The ProForce 2500 watt (67d is about twice as loud as the Honda EU2000i (59dB max load, 53dB @ 1/4 load). That could be very upsetting to your neighbors in camp. Also, compare the weights.

Here are some dB charts.


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Honda EU2000i Specs.
<blockquote>Engine: 3.5 HP, Single Cylinder,
Overhead Cam, Air Cooled
Displacement: 98.5 cc
AC Output: 120V
2000W max.(16.7A)
1600W rated (13.3A)
Receptacles: 20A 125V Duplex
NEMA Plug Number: 5-20P
DC Output: 12V, 96W (8A)
Starting System: Recoil
Fuel Tank Capacity: 1.1 gallons
Run Time on One Tankful: 4 hrs. @ rated load--15 hrs. @ 1/4 load
Dimensions (L x W x H): 20.1" x 11.4" x 16.7"
Noise Level: 59 dB @ rated load
53 dB @ 1/4 load
Dry Weight: 46.3 lbs.</blockquote>
I certainly understand how compelling the price can be for the ProForce 2500
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Old 08-09-2007, 09:38 AM   #11
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One of the problems with the CampingWorld people is they don't really do small, and since there's a range of power draws for different A/C units, they assume you have an A/C that draws enough power to bring an arctic chill to a large house while running your microwave, water pump (leave the water running), all your lights, and perhaps even all the appliances in the large house, too.

A better way to go about things is to buy or borrow a Kill-a-Watt meter, plug it into the wall and your trailer into it, then turn on all the appliances you need to use while running your A/C and see what kind of power you're drawing. To stay within the confines of the power a Honda 2000 puts out you may find you need to make some choices, like not using the microwave while the A/C is running, but at least you'll know what you consume when you're being careful.

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Old 08-09-2007, 11:37 AM   #12
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The ProForce 2500 watt (67d is about twice as loud as the Honda EU2000i (59dB max load, 53dB @ 1/4 load). That could be very upsetting to your neighbors in camp. Also, compare the weights.

Here are some dB charts..."
All the charted dB ratings aside, I was very surprised how quiet this Proforce was compared to the Yamaha EF3000iSEB. I was also very happy with the fact that I could match the Yamaha's sound level just by making a simple sound baffle to redirect the sound upward. I'll be making a more substantial cover, perhaps on a small garden cart that should make it real quiet and roll it around.

If I understand it correctly, the original need for a generator in this case is for a pending desert trip under primitive conditions, I'm going to assume there would not be a neighbor problem. Again, with a minimum sound baffle, this generator runs very quiet.

More importantly, the Honda you mentioned is rated at only 2000 watts peak. Despite its small sound footprint (at a 1/4 load), that's barely enough to carry a load that includes any sizable Air Conditioner. I'd be afraid that if running a A/C, lights, TV, ect., that Honda would probably be having to run at 1/2 load or more all the time, and max out during surges. Of course, I may be all wet on this...this is just my humble opinion.

The Honda generators ARE the benchmark that all other can be measured, and all things considered, offer the most convienence & reliability. But they are also WAY out of range in price for something that would serve only occasional use. If I would need a long term, full-time, full service generator, a Honda would be first on my list. Two or three weekends a season...they're too rich for me.

What sold me on the ProForce (besides the price) was hearing one run before I bought. Another Ham Operator had one & I got to look it over close-up. When I heard how quiet it was, I ran to Wal-Mart and put my money down.

Hearing one run BEFORE you buy is really the best way to shop, if a store dosen't have a floor model they can fire up for you, I'd shop elsewhere.

ConwayBob

BTW I know a couple who go to big NASCAR races and camp in the infield. They fire up their large noisy Devilbliss 5000 watt generator when they set-up. They say after a while they usually get invited to hook-up to a neighbors RV's along with an invite to the neighbors race party, just as long as they turn off that noisy generator. Thay say it's kinda like a big loud ice-breaker.
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ConwayBob, Youíre right on target and besides, when it goes kaput Ė you can just go and get a new one and do that several times before you reach the price of 1 new Honda with the same output. Sounds like you made a very smart move to me.
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Yep, they now do although I donít think you need it.
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OK! They promised it some time back but I hadn't seen it and hadn't kept up.

I presume that they will have the same problem as Honda does in Canada, where a grounding requirement for small generators precludes this arrangement.
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