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Old 02-24-2014, 12:45 PM   #29
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I think I will just make a tongue box for storage and run the generator away from the camper. Sounds like the best solution.
I love how many minds work out a problem.
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I use a co detector because I'm also concerned with the exhaust from the propane heater.
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Old 02-24-2014, 03:10 PM   #31
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For Perspective.

Death from non-fire related Carbon Monoxide poisoning are relatively rare, about 400 people per year or about one per million. For comparison about 50 people a year die from lightening strikes and 5 people die from snake bites.

As many people die of TB as CO poisoning.
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For Perspective.

Death from non-fire related Carbon Monoxide poisoning are relatively rare, about 400 people per year or about one per million. For comparison about 50 people a year die from lightening strikes and 5 people die from snake bites.


Dunno where you're getting your statistics from, or what exactly the point of the post is.

The increasing prevalence/use of portable generators is well known to be an important cause of many of those CO deaths that do occur, and many more illnesses that don't result in death. I think most here understand that and prefer not to become one of those statistics. This for much the same reasons that they don't stick their hands down snake holes or walk around in lightning storms.

Per your numbers, though:

Assuming your "(only?) 400 deaths per year" applies to, say, 2005:
As reported at this CPSC link, at least 25% of CO deaths that year were directly related to generators. That number includes only those deaths reported as such to the Consumer Products Safety Commission.

Generator-related CO illnesses/deaths are 99% preventable, but only if folks take the threat seriously as the O.P. here is doing instead of dismissing it as statistically insignificant.
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Dunno where you're getting your statistics from, or what exactly the point of the post is.

The increasing prevalence/use of portable generators is well known to be an important cause of many of those CO deaths that do occur, and many more illnesses that don't result in death. I think most here understand that and prefer not to become one of those statistics. This for much the same reasons that they don't stick their hands down snake holes or walk around in lightning storms.

Per your numbers, though:

Assuming your "(only?) 400 deaths per year" applies to, say, 2005:
As reported at this CPSC link, at least 25% of CO deaths that year were directly related to generators. That number includes only those deaths reported as such to the Consumer Products Safety Commission.

Generator-related CO illnesses/deaths are 99% preventable, but only if folks take the threat seriously as the O.P. here is doing instead of dismissing it as statistically insignificant.
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Todays national news brings out that point.

Police and Medics responding to a call of a lady "Passed Out", at the Legal Seafoods Restaurant in NY, had one fatality and more than 20 in the hospital from CO poisoning before all was said and done, all caused by a defective flu. No CO detectors were required by law and none were installed.

Not an RV example, but an clear example of how CO poisoning works, you usually can't smell it until it's too late.
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As many people die of TB as CO poisoning.

Which one are you recommending?

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As many people die of TB as CO poisoning.


Pooh-pooing doesn't become any more valid (or less insulting to the O.P.) by adding further, equally irrelevant "statistics" to your earlier post.

That said:

TB deaths have only decreased so dramatically in this country since practical and closely adhered to prevention measures were instituted. Here's hoping that generator-related deaths will some day enjoy a similar dramatic fall from present levels.
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Some things just can't be prevented however gassing yourself to death using a generator can. All the warnings that come with the generator means absolutely nothing when they are not read or ignored. Almost every major storm has someone dying because they ran their generator in the attached garage.
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Some things just can't be prevented however gassing yourself to death using a generator can. All the warnings that come with the generator means absolutely nothing when they are not read or ignored. Almost every major storm has someone dying because they ran their generator in the attached garage.
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Yep, I agree 100%, but as we all know, there are peeps that think that their own "Common Sense" always trumps most, if not all, of the warnings and recommendations of the manufacturer.

And, when these peeps suggest that anyone else's "Common Sense" is what good decisions are based upon, bad things begin to happen.

I am a California Native and have lived here almost all my life, but I am more afraid of some of the advice given out by the "Common Sens'ers" (?) than I have ever been of earthquakes, floor, famine and even locust attacks.
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The stat that would interested me and be of some relevance would be how many people have died or been hospitalized for carbon monoxide poisoning out of 1 million "actual" users of generators.

Here in Canada ever year in the winter months when there are power outages the number of people who die as a result on incorrect use of generators is not good and the number that go the hospital is worse!

The symptoms and effects of carbon monoxide in the body can be minor & can go relatively unnoticed for a time but they can also be extremely serious - affecting the brain, heart, nervous system, endocrine system, and other organs - resulting in subtle and not-so-subtle changes to personality, behavior, and health.
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Almost every major storm has someone dying because they ran their generator in the attached garage.
Yup one such week-end storm in December took the lives of 5 people in Ontario/Quebec and many many more went to hospital due to running a generator either in the garage or to close to the homes door.
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People make mistakes all the time in camping and other activities, either through inexperience, lack of complete understanding, or they just forget something one time. Been there done that, been lucky enough to survive or have someone point out what I had missed.

It is always useful to share knowledge we have picked up that might help others make a more informed and safer decision. Or to discuss relative merits or risks of different approaches.

People generally come in out of a thunderstorm and not to get under a lone tree for shelter is also widely known. People tend to avoid snakes, and snakes tend to avoid people. Understanding of generator safety is I would say less known and less well understood and can be every bit as dangerous.

OP was looking for suggestions on safety and was getting them, along with some good advice on noise comfort for themselves and others.

I'll add one more, if you seldom really use your generator, break the manual out once a season just to read through it as a reminder. My generator gets run for 1/2 hour a few times a year for maintenance and without a refresher read I would simply forget some of the specifics.
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I have a CO detector and am not talking against them. When I use a generator I direct the fumes a way from fellow campers. I did not mean for the post to be viewed negatively. I had already posted my experience.

I would suspect that most generator caused CO deaths occur during periods of national emergency when generators run for hours in cellars and garages. Most RV generators are not run during evenings, almost a self regulating prevention of dangerous situations.
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I would suspect that most generator caused CO deaths occur during periods of national emergency when generators run for hours in cellars and garages. Most RV generators are not run during evenings, almost a self regulating prevention of dangerous situations.


Yer just not gonna give up, are you?

Now CO poisoning via generator use is not only too rare to concern oneself with, but "almost self-regulating" because according to your no doubt extensive research into the subject "most RV generators are not run during evenings".

I'd laugh out loud via the appropriate smiley except that your persistence with this argument is not just weird, it's irresponsibly dangerous. This especially since you say that you yourself have felt the effects of CO intrusion into your own RV. Presumably at some other time than "in the evening" since it's already established in your research department that no one runs generators then.


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We had a generator in a vented compartment on our motorhome. One time exhaust accumulated under the motorhome and leaked up into the motorhome setting off the CO alarm. After that I carried an 8' PVC pipe that I slipped onto the end of the exhaust pipe to shunt the exhaust away from the motorhome. .
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