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Old 02-25-2014, 09:01 AM   #57
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Honda (among others) probably has a bunch of product liability lawyers. One of my favorite lines: Shakespeare's exact line ''The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers,'' was stated by Dick the Butcher in ''Henry VI,'' Part II, act IV, Scene II, Line 73.

I'm sure they all wear safety goggles any time they use a hammer....

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will a generator overheat by running in a box with no air circulation. Isn't it an air cooled engine?
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will a generator overheat by running in a box with no air circulation. Isn't it an air cooled engine?
With no air, the generator will stop running. Problem solved!

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Old 02-25-2014, 09:18 AM   #60
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Per posts #58 & #59:

What I see all to often happen is that someone will first reinvent how to used something against the design of the device and the instructions provided.

And then, when the product fails to deliver as per specifications, return it for a warranty claim and/or bad mouths the product as being inferior etc.

To answer the question(s) they are designed to operate in the manner described by the manufacturer, doing otherwise may well shorten the products life and/or place children and other living thing at peril.

And yes, everyone want to get rid of the lawyers, until they need one, and then it's "only the best will do". Manufacturers apprehension about "ill guided users" comes from many years of experience and lawsuits against them.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:24 AM   #61
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With no air, the generator will stop running. Problem solved!

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I'm sure a box would not be air tight to prevent the engine from running. My question is would air circulation be so limited as to cause the "air cooled" engine to overheat. Just throwing that idea out, I know the answer.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:28 AM   #62
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Directly from Honda's web site

The following is copied directly from Honda's Web Site:


Generator SafetyCustomer safety is very important to Honda, so we want to point out hazards of improper generator operation. Carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning, electrocution, and fire are hazards that can be avoided by following instructions in the owner’s manual and on the generator safety labels.
Carbon Monoxide Poisoning


 
A generator’s exhaust contains toxic carbon monoxide, which you cannot see or smell. Breathing carbon monoxide can KILL YOU IN MINUTES. To avoid carbon monoxide poisoning, follow these instructions when operating a generator:

Only run a generator OUTSIDE, far away from windows, doors, and vents.

Never operate a generator inside a house, garage, basement, crawl space, or any enclosed or partially enclosed space.

Never operate a generator near open doors or windows.

Get fresh air and seek medical attention immediately if you suspect you have inhaled carbon monoxide.
Early symptoms of carbon monoxide exposure include headache, fatigue, shortness of breath, nausea, and dizziness. Continued exposure to carbon monoxide can cause loss of muscular coordination, loss of consciousness, and then death.




The above red highlighting is mine. I'm sorry but I can not find anywhere it says to move the generator 50 feet away from the trailer. It clearly says far away from windows, doors, and vents.

Now, far is a rather subjective term. How far is far, How high is up, etc? Maybe you can see what I mean.

For all the opponents of tongue mounted generators, let's see a show of hands for all those that own the obligatory 50 foot heavy duty extension cord. (I do own one, never used it.) And pray tell how do you place your generator 50 feet away from you without placing it 50 feet closer to the folks next to you. Now that's a real good neighbor.

Actually, I have no opinion on how everybody else should handle this situation. I would state that I think that each individual should take all the great aforementioned information into consideration and make up their own mind.
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Steve, I agree with your point of view.

Barbecue grills also emit CO, but most people use them less than 50 ft from windows and doors.

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Yep, that general statement about Honda generators does not mention a specific distance but..... "FAR AWAY FROM" can never be construed as being the same as "ATTACHED TO"

The Owners manual for the Honda 2000, page 2, under "A Few Words About Safety" does say, in part;
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"You will find important safety information in a variety of forms, including;

Safety Labels - On the generator

Safety Messages - preceded by a safety alert symbol and one of three words DANGER, WARNING or CAUTION.

DANGER (Means) You WILL be KILLED or SERIOUSLY HURT if you don't follow instructions.

WARNING (Means) You CAN be KILLED or SERIOUSLY HURT if you don't follow instructions.

CAUTION (Means) You CAN be HURT if you don't follow instructions."

(Caps are Honda's)

That said, the Honda 2000 generator that I previously owned, and sold with a Toyota motorhome several years back, had a sticker right on the GENERATOR that said:

DANGER - DO NOT OPERATE WITHIN 50 FEET OF AN OCCUPIED BUILDING
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And that's my source.

But, knowing that may users will ignore instructions, perhaps Honda was overstating the distance in hopes of getting 1/2 that distance, but that's only an uneducated guess....

And Yes, I had a 25', 30 amp extension cord to mate up with my 30', 30 amp shore power cord when I used the generator if the RV was going to be occupied.
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Bob is the safest guy I know. I think he is going to live forever.
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I knew starting reading this thread that the nanny safety officers would soon be all over here posting why camping is the single most dangerous thing you can do. Francesca, carol, bob; thanks for letting us know...again.
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I will interject here to ask that people do not rant on. No need for huge bold text to try to make a point. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, that is largely what this site is based on, but PLEASE do just make your point, and move on. There is no need for redundancy by restating that which has already been said.

There is nothing to gain by trying to convince others that your point of view is the correct one. There is no obligation by anyone here to convince someone to do the right thing in your opinion (even when totally valid).

Let others read what everyone has to say, then make a judgement call for themselves as to what they believe, or would do.
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Live Forever????

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Bob is the safest guy I know. I think he is going to live forever.
Yep, I am planning on doing just that and, right now, I have outlived over 45% of the other guys in my age cadre.....

This is now necessary because to get a decent Campsite in Yosemite Valley you either have to be: A) Oprah doing a TV shoot, or Make your reservations 30 years in advance...

And a very sad thing, a lot of those that are gone, are so as the result of preventable causes..... I miss them most of all.....


BTW: Bold type in my most recent post was only replicating the bold print in the Honda 2000 manual.....
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Bob, I am not going to live forever. I have been known to do things like ride a sport motorcycle, hitch hike between Calgary and Toronto, have children, breath..... I understand that all of these things are dangerous, but I don't regret any of them. I consider life a limited resource, (no matter how safe you are) and I spend it in the most interesting ways possible.

It's too late for the Darwin award, I have already passed on my genes.
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One of the values in these discussions is that people bring their own experiences, perspectives and knowledge to the questions raised. This allows people to weigh and consider the information to figure out what they are comfortable with as a solution or course of action.

Hard to claim it don't work if people have done it successfully, certainly worth noting concerns you might have with a product or approach for OP or others reading the thread later to consider.

That has happened, but I think the OP posted awhile back a decision to not mount generator. Might change their mind, or might not but I'm pretty sure people that already have strong opinions on the subject are not going to be convinced to change their opinions due to a post here.

We are not making laws or needing to reach a consensus we can all agree to support. Just sharing information and ideas for people to consider. Already done a pretty good job of covering the subject from what I can see.
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