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Old 04-15-2016, 09:37 PM   #15
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What if a Scamp doesn't have a converter? Would it be easier to just hook up a smart charger to the 120v then run the charger wires to a 12v fuse box and then hook up the battery to an empty connection in the fuse box?
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Old 04-17-2016, 07:18 PM   #16
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For those who don't have the 12 volt lead active on the 7 pin plug.
Federal law requires when a trailer is equipped with brakes that the breakaway feature be operational and further says it needs to be sufficient to operate for 15 minutes.
For those who don't realize it the breakaway brakes on campers are usually powered by the trailer's battery.
State laws specify when brakes are required but federal says if you have them they must be operational and have a breakaway switch.
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Old 04-17-2016, 08:03 PM   #17
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Isn't this more likely a state requirement and isn't there a possibility that most states require this beginning at the 3000 pound trailer weight level? Truly just asking here, as I'm not completely sure of the legalities and provisions and how and when they apply.

This is what is suggested here: http://www.hopkinstowingsolutions.com/doc/20400.pdf

AAA lists each state's requirements here, but makes no reference to any Federal statute. http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/trailer-brakes/
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Old 04-17-2016, 08:27 PM   #18
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2. Big "IF" there. I don't have numbers but would venture to guess that the majority of tugs are not wired to charge the trailer's battery through the umbilical cord.

I'd have no way of knowing, no way at all. I only know that we choose not to send power back to the camper off the TV. A personal choice. I had the sense we were perhaps in the minority, but again, who knows.
I would suggest that the majority do have their tugs set up to charge the battery while underway. Always nice to arrive at a camping spot with a fully charged battery.

I would also be really surprised that even if a buyer was to tell Scamp they will not be charging the battery via the tug while underway if Scamp did not wire the trailer for it regardless. All one has to do is not use the option is not install a charge line on their tug.
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Old 04-17-2016, 08:29 PM   #19
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Isn't this more likely a state requirement and isn't there a possibility that most states require this beginning at the 3000 pound trailer weight level? Truly just asking here, as I'm not completely sure of the legalities and provisions and how and when they apply.

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Here regardless of weight of trailer if it has brakes its suppose to have a break away switch.
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Old 04-17-2016, 08:43 PM   #20
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Carol, I'd have no way of knowing what BC requires. This is what AAA puts up on their site. I also have no way of knowing whether their info is accurate either.

BRITISH COLUMBIA
Independent trailer braking system required where licensed weight of a trailer (excluding tow dollies) exceeds 1,400 kg or over 50% of licensed weight of towing vehicle; not required with motorhome towing with a towbar a motor vehicle weighing less than 2,000 kg that is also less than 40% of motorhome GVWR.

Tow dolly braking systems are required where the aggregate net weight of the tow dolly and the GVW of the towed vehicle exceeds 1,400 kg except where the GVWR on the towing vehicle is greater than the combined net weight of the tow dolly, the GVW of the motor vehicle being towed and the GVW of the towing vehicle.
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Old 04-17-2016, 08:52 PM   #21
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Carol, I'd have no way of knowing what BC requires. This is what AAA puts up on their site. I also have no way of knowing whether their info is accurate either.

BRITISH COLUMBIA
Independent trailer braking system required where licensed weight of a trailer (excluding tow dollies) exceeds 1,400 kg or over 50% of licensed weight of towing vehicle; not required with motorhome towing with a towbar a motor vehicle weighing less than 2,000 kg that is also less than 40% of motorhome GVWR.

Tow dolly braking systems are required where the aggregate net weight of the tow dolly and the GVW of the towed vehicle exceeds 1,400 kg except where the GVWR on the towing vehicle is greater than the combined net weight of the tow dolly, the GVW of the motor vehicle being towed and the GVW of the towing vehicle.
That is just PART of the regulations which why going by condensed version of rules as posted on line by organizations such as AAA is not a good idea. I suspect AAA would suggest your responsible to do your own homework to make sure your trailer meets all the state/provincial safety requirements.

To help you out here is another source of info BC Governments Fact Sheet on Towing: Which reads in part " Every trailer with brakes must have a breakaway device hooked to the trailer brake system."
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Old 04-18-2016, 06:22 AM   #22
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Federal mandate covering break away brakes is 49CFR393.43.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/393.43

True the majority of states have a 3000# requirement but New York is a low 1000#.
Trailer Brake Requirement For All US States With Map

My two vehicles with factory installed t pin trailer wiring both have have 12 volts plus and minus leads. Wiring for brakes required plugging in a fuse.
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Old 04-18-2016, 07:43 AM   #23
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I guess, in the end though, it seems likely that in whatever province/state the trailer is registered that owner will fulfill the requirements of that code.

I, for one, am certainly not suggesting by these posts that a break-a-way switch isn't a good idea, a wonderful idea, but I was merely wondering how many Scamp 13 and 16 type units have them? The two we've had certainly did not, while our 26' TT did. Of course, if owners buy them in Backus and take them back to a more stringent province or state, the likelihood would increase greatly of the break-a-way getting installed.

Larger, heavier RVs don't leave the dealerships here without them.
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It appears 49CFR393 only applies to commercial vehicles.

393.1 Scope of the rules in this part.
(a) The rules in this part establish minimum standards for commercial motor vehicles as defined in 390.5 of this title. Only motor vehicles (as defined in 390.5) and combinations of motor vehicles which meet the definition of a commercial motor vehicle are subject to the requirements of this part. All requirements that refer to motor vehicles with a GVWR below 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) are applicable only when the motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles meets the definition of a commercial motor vehicle.
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Old 04-18-2016, 08:05 AM   #25
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It appears 49CFR393 only applies to commercial vehicles.

393.1 Scope of the rules in this part.
(a) The rules in this part establish minimum standards for commercial motor vehicles as defined in 390.5 of this title. Only motor vehicles (as defined in 390.5) and combinations of motor vehicles which meet the definition of a commercial motor vehicle are subject to the requirements of this part. All requirements that refer to motor vehicles with a GVWR below 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) are applicable only when the motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles meets the definition of a commercial motor vehicle.
Seems logical, but one never knows whether logic is the right approach when discussing federal codes. LOL

The Feds can and do regulate interstate commerce and interstate trucking. So, it makes sense. Recreational stuff falls more to the states to regulate, it would seem to me and again, the vast majority of the states do not require a break-a-way for a camper under 3000 lbs.

But alas, I may have assisted in hi-jacking this thread to a far different place and for that I apologize to the OP.
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