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Old 05-29-2014, 11:30 AM   #1
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I posted in this forum and the towing forums before . I hope I'm posting my questions to the correct forum. Im waiting for toyota to call with a quote to install the hitch. I'm not sure of my budget now but by my 50 th bday it will be better as my piano business picks up. So I'm interested in suggestions as to a good high quality tt that doesn't use rivets and is not prone to leaking rotting etc. I have two kids. I'm sight impaired and my wife is our only driver. We have a toyota highlander with a towing captivity of 1:500 lbs. I'd like to find something that will sleep 4 comfortably normal size beds not these tiny bunks even kids can out grow. We'd like to find one where even the twin bunks are normal size. We ll need one with a. A bathroom and one we. Can hook up to electric sewer cable. No primitive camping for this Philly guy lol. I'd like to find one we could even get 5 into incase we have a visitor and ac of courses is there a fgrv out there a 3500 tow limit vehicle can pull that is roomy enough for 4 to 5 with ac normal size beds a decent bathroom and virtually maitanence free? Thanks. .
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:01 PM   #2
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First, don't let rivets through there hull be a disqualifying issue. If it was a big issue there wouldn't be near as many SCAMPs out there and they have been building them that way for over 40 years.

Not to say that there aren't better ways, but that sysem has held up to the test of time. ALL FGRV's can leak at the windows and roof hatches. Taking care of them and the rivets at the some time is part and parcel of routine maintenance with ALL FGRV's.

Wanting "Normal" size beds is also a limiting factor as most FGRV's don't have that luxury of space, especially when you want sleeping for 4-5 peeps. BTW: 5 being the deal breaker in almost all FGRV's in your weight class.

And, about the only way you can be "Maintenance Free" is to buy a restored or a new one, and sell it every three years, or have a good friend (or checkbook) that can do the maintenance. The ads are full of FGRV's that didn't get routine maintenance, they should be called Fixers, but many sellers don't like that word and pronounce them "Excellent for it's age"

Considering a moderate budget (under $10K ?) I would be out looking for an early 17' Bigfoot, allowing about $7k for purchase and $3k for fix-up expenses.... But that's just my choice.

Good Luck Hunting.....
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You are asking a lot… especially with a tow limit of 3500 pounds*! Scamp and Casita are out (rivets). I don't know of any (except 5th wheel types) that can sleep 5 in "normal-sized" beds. The one that might come closest to meeting your requirements is a Parkliner. With the bunk option it can sleep four, and their bunk set-up appears to be a sturdier design that may sleep full-size people. I'm sure some Parkliner owners will chime in on this. Know that Parkliner is a newer company that is experiencing some design bugs. You'll have to make your own judgment on that. A search for "Parkliner" on this site will produce a lot of hits.

FWIW, my own theory on the old-style bunks is this: when they get too big, toss them outside in a tent. They'll enjoy their privacy, and so will you .

You may also want to rethink your aversion to rivets. They really aren't that much trouble. You just need to replace the plastic covers every few years. Unless you do a lot of boondocking on rough roads (which doesn't sound like what you are planning), they rarely leak, and if they do, they're easy to replace.

*EDIT: means you are probably looking for a trailer with a dry weight under 2500 lbs., since you have to allow for options, cargo, and even, to some extent, the weight of the people and cargo in the car
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hi hi John and Bob
Thanks for the replies. I think the egg camper brand is 2500 lbs on the dot gives a little wiggle room. Space sounds cramped what are your thoughts on those all aluminum camp life's. I wonder if I might have to start out with a pop up. I'm just not keen on the idea of all that set up hassle plus to me it doesn't feel like you're inside all that much. I stayed I a pop up at least on e I can recall. The Triliums seem. NIce as do big foots. Im sure I can work with the rivets lol. . Thanks
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If the advertised weight for the EggCamper is 2500 lbs even you can bet that it's for a very basic unit and the MFG is using a WAG to be able to prublish a low weight. Many have already learned that published weights are always under what's delivered. Add to that, a family of 4 or 5 will add 500-700 lbs of "Stuff" to that number putting you very close the TV's limit.

Don't know what a "Camp Life" is, can you provide a link.

Last year I referbed a small tent trailer for my son and am just finishing another one that he likes even better. Here are some pics of the 1st one: It sleeps 4 adults!
1983 StarCraft 14 Foot Photos by advocateone | Photobucket

For what it's worth, the pop-up tent trailers have a lot more interior space and sleeping accommodations than any of the FGRV's of comparable towing length & weight.
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I think the OP is talking about the Camplite line. Their site is here:
Camplite Ultra Lightweight All Aluminum Travel Trailers | Livin' Lite RV

I looked into their tent trailers before entering the FGRV world. Very basic. Box & running gear seemed well-designed, but thought the tent fabric too flimsy. Never looked at the hard-sided units - too expensive for me. Looking at the data, dry weights are comparable to FGRVs. They haven't been around very long, so there isn't much of a used market. Also heard they don't do well in the cold.
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Considering a moderate budget (under $10K ?) I would be out looking for an early 17' Bigfoot, allowing about $7k for purchase and $3k for fix-up expenses.... But that's just my choice.

Good Luck Hunting.....

Did you see the ad and pics for the 1992, 17' BigFoot that was just posted in Trailers for sale? I think that I was kinda close on my price estimate.

Don't miss this chance.......
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If the advertised weight for the EggCamper is 2500 lbs even you can bet that it's for a very basic unit and the MFG is using a WAG to be able to prublish a low weight.
Re: the EggCamper

The 2500 pound weight is the GVWR. The GVWR was 2700 pounds until 2007 then changed to 2500 for the 2008 models. An empty EggCamper shell with the battery on the tongue weighs 1500 pounds so you can add the weights of appliances, fresh water supply etc. to the 1500.

Also, the EggCamper will only sleep 3 people max and the one sleeping on the side better be fairly short. The rear bed area is about 54" wide by 84" long.

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Did you see the ad and pics for the 1992, 17' BigFoot that was just posted in Trailers for sale? I think that I was kinda close on my price estimate.

Don't miss this chance.......
Checked the thread Trailer Weights in the Real World - there were two Bigfoot 17.5's listed. One was just under 3000# (#54), the other was well over 4000# (#107). The range between the two seems a bit unusual for the same manufacturer & size (different layout? full tanks? bad data?). Both were over 350# on the tongue. The greater height & width of a Bigfoot means more room but also more frontal area when towing. Seems pretty marginal for the OP's Highlander.

Nice trailer, though, for the right person!
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Nope-Nope-Nope

The 17' and the 17.5' are two different trailers. The earlier (Pre-1993?) 17'ers were a lot lighter, as I recall about 700 lbs lighter than the later 17.5' versions. But the one 17.5' @3000 lbs only needs 300 lbs on the hitch and could be doable with careful packing and still be well under the 3500 lb limit.
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Re: the EggCamper

The 2500 pound weight is the GVWR. The GVWR was 2700 pounds until 2007 then changed to 2500 for the 2008 models. An empty EggCamper shell with the battery on the tongue weighs 1500 pounds so you can add the weights of appliances, fresh water supply etc. to the 1500.

Also, the EggCamper will only sleep 3 people max and the one sleeping on the side better be fairly short. The rear bed area is about 54" wide by 84" long.

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Thank you for sorting that out. It sorta sounded like the starting weight was 2500 for the EggCamper, but it sounds like that's all moot for the op anyway.
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Nope-Nope-Nope

The 17' and the 17.5' are two different trailers. The earlier (Pre-1993?) 17'ers were a lot lighter, as I recall about 700 lbs lighter than the later 17.5' versions. But the one 17.5' @3000 lbs only needs 300 lbs on the hitch and could be doable with careful packing and still be well under the 3500 lb limit.
Didn't know that. Thanks for the clarification!
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The 17' and the 17.5' are two different trailers.
I was also thinking that the 17' Bigfoot would suit the OP, but was not sure on the weights. Thanks for pointing out the difference Bob.

Makes me wonder if Frederick made a mistake on the length of trailer # 54 in his list. He has them both as a 17.5' trailer.
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hi John & Bob and anyone I missed
Thanyou for the information. As a review when considering any tt do I take the dry weight and add it's load capasity plus tongue weight to get an acurate number go by the g v r or simply add about 700lbs to gain a more acurate number? Any thoughts on those hybrids?
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