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Old 10-22-2008, 03:18 PM   #1
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Greetings everyone!

Camping world is having a sale on the Dometic RM2193 Compact Refrigerator and since Tish has been growing tired of chasing down block ice when we are camping, I was wondering how quiet this refrigerator is or isn't?

Does it cycle all the time or only when it is getting cold?

Has anyone had one of these installed at camping world and does the installation include the propane hose and electrical wire needed to install this refrig. since we only have an ice box in our burro now.

Would you think it would be better to just order the refrigerator and have our local rv place put it in or better to have Camping world do it? We don't live really close to one but we could travel to one.

All thoughts greatly appreciated!

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Old 10-22-2008, 03:30 PM   #2
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I'm not familiar with that exact model, but normally refrigerators that can run on propane are silent because they do not have a compressor. Even when they're running on 12v or AC, they still use the ammonia/flame method to cool, which does not make noise.

One note: As I understand it, propane refrigerators are much less efficient when they are running on electricity than refrigerators that only run on electricity. This is related to what I menioned above, about how the refrigerator still uses the ammonia/flame to cool even when running on electricity instead of a compressor.

So I would think that if one planned to use the propane feature, great. But otherwise it might be better to buy a 12v/110v model.

(I don't remember the exact figures, but it was something like a propane model taking 8 amps to run on electric; whereas a dedicated electric might be more like 3 amps.)

Edited to add: I looked up the refrigerator you mention, and it says that on electrical power it "Uses only 9.4 amps in 12V mode." I love the "only." Hee. In comparison, a typical 1.7 cu. foot "dorm" type refrigerator uses 1.38 amps in 110v mode. I do really like three-way refrigerators, but then I'd probably use one on propane most of the time. What I'm not sure of is if there are refrigerators that are 12v/110v without being propane too.

PS: Also noticed that it is a refrigerator only, if that matters to you.

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Old 10-22-2008, 03:42 PM   #3
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I was wondering how quiet this refrigerator is or isn't?
Absorption refrigerators such as the RM2193 have no moving part and normally make no sound. They are slower to cool but can run on different sources if you like camping off the grid. Installing one isn't rocket science, but you do need to follow some general rules with respect to sealing out exhaust fumes, as well as proper venting at the back which makes a big difference in performance. But my understanding is that a lot of refers aren't installed the way they should, so be sure to pick someone who knows what they're doing.
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Absorption refrigerators such as the RM2193 have no moving part and normally make no sound. They are slower to cool but can run on different sources if you like camping off the grid. Installing one isn't rocket science, but you do need to follow some general rules with respect to sealing out exhaust fumes, as well as proper venting at the back which makes a big difference in performance. But my understanding is that a lot of refers aren't installed the way they should, so be sure to pick someone who knows what they're doing.
Thanks Daniel, I had forgotten about the need to exhaust the fumes which correct me if I'm wrong, means we need to cut a hole in the body of the burro? Ouch...I really don't know if I trust anyone to do that and personally would rather stick with ice. Is there any other way to exhaust the fumes without cutting a hole in the body of our camper?
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:22 PM   #5
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I realize I'm not Robert, but both (ahem) of my current eggs have 3-way refrigerators, and they both have two vents on the side of the trailer for the refrigerator. One is about 16" x 16", and is just below the belly band. This one is removable because the controls for lighting the refrigerator, and for selecting the coldness and power method are in there.

Then, there is a ~ 5" x 16" vent just above the belly band (it's behind the "backsplash" of the kitchen counter). This vent is "permanently" attached to the camper.

The lower grille looks like it comes with the refrigerator (it has a Dometic part number on it). I believe the upper grilles are stock, but I'm not sure if they come with the refrigerator(s).

So yes, there are a couple of largish holes involved. And I've heard that you don't want to give up any of this venting. i.e. it's enough but not too much. (A couple of trailers I looked at had added electric fans to supplement the venting.) I think they're more for dissipating heat than fumes, but I suppose it's some of each.

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Might check here as it includes a free door panel and looks lower priced, but doesn't include shipping so may come out pretty close to CW.

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Our Scamp installed Dometic 120VAC / gas absorption refrigerator froze and burst 4 soda cans while on 120VAC so they will get cold on AC.

We pack the fridge a couple of days B4 the trip, and turn it on so it will cool everything down and that helps to keep things cold while we R traveling. We do not use the propane option B cause most camper fires are caused by the gas fridge. While it is OK for some it is not for us. One less thing to worry about.
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We do not use the propane option B cause most camper fires are caused by the gas fridge.
I'd like to know more about that. Do you have an info source?

Also, I just want to clarify that I wasn't saying the 3-way refrigerators wouldn't get cold on electricity; just that I had read they were much less efficient than "dedicated" electric models (i.e. they take more amps to get to the same temperature).

Of course I had to do a bit more reading about 3-way refrigerators, and in an earlier thread here I noted that the newer 3-way refrigerators may only have one vent (hole). So you'd still need to cut one hole, but at least not two. I wanted to post back here in case it was the second hole that was putting it over the top.

That was in this thread:

http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/index.ph...hl=Trillium+mod

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Edited to add: I looked up the refrigerator you mention, and it says that on electrical power it "Uses only 9.4 amps in 12V mode." I love the "only." Hee. In comparison, a typical 1.7 cu. foot "dorm" type refrigerator uses 1.38 amps in 110v mode. I do really like three-way refrigerators, but then I'd probably use one on propane most of the time. What I'm not sure of is if there are refrigerators that are 12v/110v without being propane too.
Power used (watts) is determined by the voltage times the amperage.

So 9.4 amps X 12 volts = 112.8 watts

whereas 1.38 amps X 110 volts X .74 = 112.3 watts

[.74 is a constant which must be used because of the alternating current is not at 110 volts all the time.

therefore the two modes are actually identical!
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Okay, so the 3-way refrigerators are equally inefficient on either 12v or 110v. I wasn't sure about that, so I didn't want to say it, but it makes sense. Thanks

The upshot of what I read was to go ahead nad get a 3-way if you planned to use the propane functionality; but if you plan to use the electric then you'd be using much less electricity if you had a dedicated electric refrigerator (with a compressor).
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Power used (watts) is determined by the voltage times the amperage.

So 9.4 amps X 12 volts = 112.8 watts

whereas 1.38 amps X 110 volts X .74 = 112.3 watts

[.74 is a constant which must be used because of the alternating current is not at 110 volts all the time.

therefore the two modes are actually identical!
Errr, not exactly. What you're saying would be true if our AC voltage peaked a 110volts, but that's not the case. Household AC current varies between zero and 150-160 volts yielding an output of 110-120 volts RMS. (RMS is short hand for root mean square, a fancy way of saying "average voltage output.") So the 110 volts we accept as the norm for household current already has your mulitplier built in. The true energy consumption, in watts, works out like this:

12V Fridge: 9.4 Amps * 12 Volts = 113 watts
110V Fridge: 1.38 amps * 12 volts RMS = 152 watts
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I think 2 vents on the outside are needed. First the lower one opens, as said by someone else, to access the controls. The upper vent is just that a vent. I don't think it is meant as an exhaust vent for fumes but rather a vent for excess heat to escape.

These little refrigerators do not work like household refrigerators which have compressors. They are far less efficient in hot weather and the removal of any heat generated from the coils is really needed. To assist my refrigerator in working better during hot weather I added a coil fan which is located below the coils and blows upward to help the hot air escape. I've been thinking about also adding an exhaust fan which would be located at the upper vent to pull the hot air out.

I'm not one to want to deal with ice. Where do you get the ice if you are out in the boonies. I'd add the refrigerator without hesitation.

If you are thinking about a 3 way, you need to know that the DC is generally not used by most because the refrigerator sucks the battery dry. Mine is a 3 way and I only use the Propane and Electric. I love my refrigerator.
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12V Fridge: 9.4 Amps * 12 Volts = 113 watts
110V Fridge: 1.38 amps * 12 volts RMS = 152 watts
So does this mean what I read was wrong? (It was in some sort of "choose your refrigerator wisely" type of entry on a website.)

To reiterate, what I had read was that any refrigerator that runs on propane (and therefore uses the ammonia/flame method to cool) would be much less efficient when in electrical mode than a dedicated electric refrigerator that used a (new, efficient) compressor.

I wonder if this is really true? It does make intuitive sense to me, but that doesn't always mean anything.

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Thanks Daniel, I had forgotten about the need to exhaust the fumes which correct me if I'm wrong, means we need to cut a hole in the body of the burro? Ouch...I really don't know if I trust anyone to do that and personally would rather stick with ice. Is there any other way to exhaust the fumes without cutting a hole in the body of our camper?
Vents are definitely a requirement for propane-powered refrigerators. Probably not as much for compressor models but they might still benefit from them. Remember cooling food means pulling heat out, and the heat has to go somewhere. Having vents added shouldn't be a big deal if done correctly, though. Some RVs have refrigerator venting going upwards through the roof like a chimney, and I read they might actually be the best in terms of convection for pulling heat out, but trailers usually have to be designed in such a way to begin with.

As Raya pointed out, compressor-based models take much less electricity and are less picky with venting, put propane models are more versatile and, best of all (in my opinion), completely quiet.
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