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Old 10-29-2013, 11:25 AM   #1
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How warm are Scamps with ensolite?

I just bought a 1987 16' Scamp. It has only a thin layer of ensolite insulation. It is a very basic model with no furnace (I will be adding one though), so there is no way to test its ability to keep warmth.

I am starting to renovate it, but since I like camping in freezing temperatures, I am wondering will this thin ensolite skin be sufficient or I need to do something about it, while I am at it.

Please share how does the ensolite lined Scam compare to "normal" trailers with foam or other types of insulation. And also what options do I have to put a better insulation: is the ASTRO-FOIL/headliner combination on newer Scamps any better? Or alternatively can I glue a second layer of ensolite on top of the existing one?
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:35 AM   #2
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mine's a 1977... I went camping last weekend in it with 30degree temps...

It made a good refrigerator! It was warmer outside than in come morning, but I have no heat in mine. Heat is on the ta-do list!
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:43 AM   #3
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The foil and headliner combo on the newer Scamps - if you can call a 92 such as mine newer ;-) are indeed better. But be warned removing the liner on their now and replacing it is a BIG job and not cheap - cant tell you how many people have jumped right in and ripped out the old liners on their trailer and then we see the same trailer go up for sale some time later missing the liner as it wasnt budgeted for in time or money....
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:49 AM   #4
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Insulating the windows will help alot. The other big issue is the area behind the refrigerator so much thermal loss there. But you need to be vented for the propane and refrigerator to work. You can insulate the floor at least that will help alot.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:53 AM   #5
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Yes, I have all those things in mind, but I do not have a reference point - how good or how bad is my stock trailer right now....

To Carol H: I know removing the old ensolite is hard, that's why I was thinking of gluing a second layer on top of the original one... not sure if that would work, but not sure if that is necessary at all...
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:55 AM   #6
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I have a cure for my heating issues.... I go to Florida for the winter!

I still have the original elephant skin in mine.

What do you do for insulating the windows? Good for future reference when New England temps decide to drop too early for me! I'm picturing that shrink wrap stuff at Walmart.
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:03 PM   #7
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I made new curtains with thermal linings that helped a lot.
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:06 PM   #8
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The ensolite is not the best but does keep the moisture from forming on the walls when you heat the inside. A good furnace is a good bet when camping in cold weather.

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I have also cut out the bubble foil stuff to fit inside window frames when camping in *really* cold weather.
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:41 PM   #10
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We have an 89 Scamp that has rat fur and a small heater. It often gets so warm in the middle of the night that I have to uncover myself! Our heater is, I think, called a WAVE and it's very powerful but doesn't seem to use much propane. It's about 8 inches square and sticks out about an inch from the cabinet it's in.

We usually turn it on high to start and then we lower it down once the trailer is warmer. The key, we've learned, is that in 0-20 F degree weather, we need to start the heat before the sun goes down... even a half our or an hour. That way, the trailer gets a bit of time to "catch" up. Once it's warmed up, it seems like it takes very little (LOW setting) to maintain the warm temperature.

I can't really tell you how the Scamps compare to other trailers with foam. We've only had one night where my husband was cold (baby!) and that was when I learned that the heat must come on before it gets dark. Other than that, we can keep it warmer than I usually keep our house with no problem at all.

We've never taken our rat fur off but I'm assuming there's ensolite behind it. Can anyone confirm?
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We've never taken our rat fur off but I'm assuming there's ensolite behind it. Can anyone confirm?
Just push on the wall and you should feel the foil bubble insulation that is behind the rat fur give a little - if it doesnt have it but as you have rat fur I suspect it does - you will feel nothing but hard fiberglass behind it. Look inside a hatch and lift a bit of rat fur up to see the foil insulation.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:05 PM   #12
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Thanks, Carol. So, yes, we have ensolite. I guess I just wasn't sure if what I was feeling/seeing is ensolite or not. Anyways, whatever it is, it works great!
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:32 PM   #13
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So you have rat fur (the headliner material) glued on top of ensolite? I had no idea some Scamps were done like this... How thick is the rat fur - i.e. does it add any insulation or it is just for decoration?
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:51 PM   #14
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So you have rat fur (the headliner material) glued on top of ensolite? I had no idea some Scamps were done like this... How thick is the rat fur - i.e. does it add any insulation or it is just for decoration?
Yes, that's right -- it's very similar to what I've seen in a variety of sailboats. It's not overly thick and I'm not sure it has many insulating properties (although anything helps, right?) but it helps with condensation. Originally I was not a fan because it can't be cleaned very easily but now I like it. Makes it feel warmer and more cozy inside.

Others on the forum can probably give you more details about it because all I really know is that my Scamp came this way. I also have no idea how it'd be installed except that it's just glued on... maybe some spray adhesive would do the trick?

I'll try to take a picture of it tonight if it's not too dark by the time I get home.
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