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Old 09-19-2014, 11:06 AM   #15
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generators and tire inflator ????

first thing that comes to mind is using a generator to charge batteries is going to take a LONG time....just plain not worth the effort.....might relieve the "low battery anxiety" in the owner's mind but that's about it.

there are a wide variety of very affordable 12volt tire inflators on the market...I've had one in my TV for years...(towed boats before RVs)

as for the "you camp the way you want to and I'll do the same"....unfortunately often that seems to be the mindset... consideration for others seems to have gone the way of the dodo bird....probably happened soon after they started installing outside speakers on RVs

as an example....I was camped in a rec site recently (no services, no fee)...six of the twelve sites were occupied...the cool light breeze coming off the lake was perfectly offset by the september sunshine

late in the afternoon a rig comes in and finds a place to park....ma, pa and the two kids pile out of the truck and proceed to make camp...it's now dinner time....the guy hauls a generator out of the truck, walks it around the trailer to the left side (wonder why?) and fires it up... goes back into the trailer, shutting the door (it's not that hot but the generator is "quieter" that way) where his kids sit down to play their video games on the big screen TV....while mom prepares her family a fine meal in the microwave...

ain't camping grand ??? LOL

there are lots of reasons to own a small trailer....one of the many is to go to, find and/or fit in places that "large" trailers can't

Happy (quiet) camping all...
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Old 09-19-2014, 12:54 PM   #16
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It is hard in a brief forum post to convey the "tone" of a comment. No doubt about that. I think it does help to consider that if this discussion was taking place around the campfire would that person be more likely to be expressing the idea in a "hostile" tone or a "friendly" one? My default assumption is that it would be a friendly exchange of ideas. If someone called me an SOB I'm not sure I would assume they meant Swell Old Boy but in general friendly disagreement is probably the intent.

On the OP's intended uses "recharging batteries or tire inflation" Normally it takes a long time to charge a deep cycle battery. They are designed to provide power at a slower rate and take on a charge the same way. So it is highly probable that generator run time will be fairly long if the battery charge is low. It is one of the things that make solar viable, it provides a long low rate of charge which suits deep cycles well.

There are some converters that claim to have a smart technology to do a "boost" charge to shorten that time. Progressive Dynamics includes this feature on some models. I can't speak to how well it works personally but other members have spoken well of them.

Previous discussion on the forum have left me with the impression that the 12 volt outlet/hookup provided on a generator is a poor way to charge you batteries. Better to have a good converter in camper and plug the camper in. Or a good battery charger.

Tire inflator will have power if you have a tow vehicle or a trailer battery to connect it to. Some have added a 12 volt outlet on the outside of the trailer that facilitates that. Not sure I would bother but it could be useful to have an outlet for 12 volt items outside. In any event consider how you would plug in the inflator and make sure your inflator cord is of sufficient length to get to your tires from you power source.

Yamaha and Honda are both noted for making small, low noise and fuel efficient generators. You have a range of approx. 350 to 2000 watts, do consider the demands of an AC unit if you intend to add that to your list of uses. You might start with the reviews on Amazon for Honda or Yamaha 350 or 1000 or 2000, there is also a 3000 but that is starting to get into a heavier bulkier generator.

I find most campers are friendly and courteous. In several decades of camping I find it rare to meet rude ones, not unheard of, just rare. Probably why it is so annoying when you encounter one. However people have different tolerance levels or standards for what behaviors bother them just as some folks have different ideas of what is acceptable behavior. Parents of young kids are used to the noise kids make when playing, others may be bothered more. It is a public place so there has to be some give and take.

I did find it somewhat annoying the one time I ended up next to someone that is in a beautiful rustic campground and spent all weekend inside watching TV or playing cards and running a generator but unless the rules bar that I guess I figure it is their vacation I just have to accept it or move. Instead I went swimming, beat AC and the beach was not in earshot of the generator. Adapt, Overcome! And maybe let the air out of their tires at night. Just Kidding.
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:47 PM   #17
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It is hard in a brief forum post to convey the "tone" of a comment. No doubt about that. I think it does help to consider that if this discussion was taking place around the campfire would that person be more likely to be expressing the idea in a "hostile" tone or a "friendly" one? My default assumption is that it would be a friendly exchange of ideas. If someone called me an SOB I'm not sure I would assume they meant Swell Old Boy but in general friendly disagreement is probably the intent.

Yes, and part of the problem is that people have a tendency to try to see either a friendly tone or a hostile tone when there is really no tone intended.
When I made the campfire comment, I wasn't thinking in terms of tone. What I meant was that when someone makes a statement that someone else questions or takes exception to, the opportunity for immediate clarification exists, without any of the parties trying to determine in what tone the statement was made. Written blogs like FGRV do not allow the ability to gain an immediate understanding of what the individual making the comment actually meant. And I strongly agree and hope that friendly disagreement is the intent of everyone here when they do take exception.
Sorry. Off topic a bit. Hope the OP got enough information or at least the information hoped for.


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The OP post asked about generators (a well trod path at this point) and an answer that "you're better off with solar" seems vaguely unhelpful to me. Unless of course you suspect the questioner has never heard of solar panels which I consider unlikely.
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Based on the number and types of questions asked just on this forum on a monthly bases about solar I would suggest its not outside the realm of possibilities that although someone may have heard of solar they may not have thought of using it on their trailers. I also know by the frequency and types of questions I am asked by people while I am out camping about my system that there are a lot of people who apparently haven't considered using it on their rigs either.

I also don't believe its outside the realm of possibilities that someone new to RV'ing may also not be aware of just how unpopular and restrictive the use of generators has become in many parts of NA - even up here in Canada where power in our national and provincial parks is not all that common. Its not just in parks that generators are not popular either.... have seen/heard more than a few unhappy folks in the back country over generator use as well.

No solar may not meet everyones camping style/needs but how would someone be able to decide that if everyone was to scared of offending someone here to suggest it as a possible alternative and were to stick to only answering the questions asked?
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Old 09-20-2014, 07:25 AM   #19
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Based on the number and types of questions asked just on this forum on a monthly bases about solar I would suggest its not outside the realm of possibilities that although someone may have heard of solar they may not have thought of using it on their trailers. I also know by the frequency and types of questions I am asked by people while I am out camping about my system that there are a lot of people who apparently haven't considered using it on their rigs either.

I also don't believe its outside the realm of possibilities that someone new to RV'ing may also not be aware of just how unpopular and restrictive the use of generators has become in many parts of NA - even up here in Canada where power in our national and provincial parks is not all that common. Its not just in parks that generators are not popular either.... have seen/heard more than a few unhappy folks in the back country over generator use as well.

No solar may not meet everyones camping style/needs but how would someone be able to decide that if everyone was to scared of offending someone here to suggest it as a possible alternative and were to stick to only answering the questions asked?
Hubby and I used to boondock in our 13' boler a lot but we are now both on CPAP machines so have had to have hydro sites for past couple of years. We really aren't happy about that! We installed a deep cycle marine battery which takes care of lights, 12v fantastic fan etc, but not the CPAP machines. I bought two 12 volt folding solar panels that run concurrent to charge my 400 power pack but it will only run the machines for one night and the solar panels won't fully charge it up for the next night. I assume I don't have big enough solar panels. For us, here in Ontario where Carol you are right, generators are in many cases, banned, solar is the option I need to look at. Can you give me any information on how much solar I need?
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Can you give me any information on how much solar I need?
The answer requires math and several assumptions. The variables are numerous and specific to your circumstance. How much battery can you fit? What is the draw of your two machines? How low are you willing to draw the batteries down (lower means less life). What is the average sun where you camp? Will the panels be mounted flat or oriented toward the sun with some tilt? Wire size? Controller type? It goes on and on. Do some research and make some educated guesses and go from there. I copped out and bought two 100W panels and enough MPPT controller to add more panels if I need to.
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I have both...I own a Yamaha EF2400ISHC generator for when air conditioning (or battery recharging during the winter months when I need to use the furnace) and a 100 watt roof mounted solar panel. I am going to be adding a portable panel into the equation because sometimes I have to park totally in the tree's and need to keep my batteries topped off so I can run My MaxxAir fan for ventilation.

The state parks that I have been camping in NJ have all been ok with the quiet series generators...Now I did luck out this summer that I honestly didn't need it because it was a fairly cool summer...But when it is 95' and humid at midnight I will fire it up to get comfortable. Once last summer a friend who had a small 1000 watt generator from Harbour Freight were told to shut it down...I looked at the ranger and he said mine was fine. I prefer not having to use it, but if I need to I will.

Solar is great for recharging the batteries but a few overcast days and you can have depleted batteries. Hybrid system with both does offer greater versatility. In the future as technology improves I will probably move to a dc fridge because the electrical use is becoming much more efficient then it was 10 years ago...but I would definitely at that point need a second moveable panel to capture the solar energy.
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Hubby and I used to boondock in our 13' boler a lot but we are now both on CPAP machines so have had to have hydro sites for past couple of years. We really aren't happy about that! We installed a deep cycle marine battery which takes care of lights, 12v fantastic fan etc, but not the CPAP machines. I bought two 12 volt folding solar panels that run concurrent to charge my 400 power pack but it will only run the machines for one night and the solar panels won't fully charge it up for the next night. I assume I don't have big enough solar panels. For us, here in Ontario where Carol you are right, generators are in many cases, banned, solar is the option I need to look at. Can you give me any information on how much solar I need?
Vivian I am not in Ontario, in BC where as you know we do have a few camping seasons where a full sun day can be elusive - thankfully not this year though! As has been suggested it involves a bit of math as to your power usage as well as some knowledge as to what your normal camping situation is - do you camp with lots of tree coverage or normally out in the open? Are you a fair weather camper only? What size of deep cell battery do you have? higher is better and going to 2 6 volt batteries better again.

Either way I would suggest that the 12 w panels would indeed have difficulties with maintaining battery even without running two CPAP machines. Its important to know what the draw is of the CPAP machines is as they are not all created equal either.

There is a site that will give you lots of info called the 12 Volt Side of Life that is worth reading through.

I don't have a CPAP so can't suggest what may be needed but I can get by easily with less than 60 watt panel & never drop the battery below 50% - running the fridge on propane and using only LED lights in the trailer. That includes using the Fantastic Fan or furnace on a as needed bases. If I was counting on keeping medical equipment running I would think you would need at least a 120W if not more. I know we have a number of people here who require a CPAP machine and they do get by on solar so hopefully one of them will pipe up and advise how big the panels are that they use and under what conditions. You could also Google this forum and find past threads on the topic of CPAP and solar.

The good news is that panels have dropped in price greatly since I purchased my system a number of years ago - you can get solar panels for as little as $1 per watt these days and the size of the panels has dropped which helps as well with the storage of them. You will need to look beyond Canadian Tire for those prices though. Their pricing is pretty high for the small systems they sell.

My apologies in advance to those who don't feel it appropriate or helpful to answer a solar question on a generator thread
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Thanks Carol. I will now sit and do some reading and research with a goodly idea of what I need to look for and lookout for. Thank you everyone.
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