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Old 07-22-2016, 03:40 PM   #141
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Is that because of the bed, the extra storage, the appearance, or...?
Mostly because of the different construction techniques.

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...One night, just backed into a site. I opened the door to the trailer to find a rather long (1 1/2") screw on the floor. Took me an hour to figure out it was from the knob on the fantastic fan. I must have forgot to tighten it. Stuff like that is common. Be prepared. Raz
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me.. I did have to re-tighten all four Jalousie window handles mid-way through my three week trip. So maybe it was not problem free? Heck if that is the biggest problem I have in three weeks I will be very happy.

But you also reminded me that I had another manufacturing defect when I bought the camper that I had not mentioned before. Seems that the sewing on one of the curtains missed the mark. To be fair, since I ordered the camper with the curtains and curtain rods not installed, the curtains were never even unfolded. I guess if they had installed them, they would have caught this.

If you think this is nit-picking, you are right. That is the point. Although I had a number of issues to deal with, they were mostly minor and correctable by most people at little or no expense.
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:48 PM   #142
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I guess my point is that once you get the trailer fixed the way it should have been when you picked it up, it's only the beginning..

Oh, and in regard to the jalousie knobs don't do what I did.

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Old 07-23-2016, 02:18 PM   #143
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I guess my point is that once you get the trailer fixed the way it should have been when you picked it up, it's only the beginning..
it's only the beginning of???? More repairs perhaps? There is the tell-tail signature of black powder from aluminum under a few rivets and elsewhere. The stresses of travel are already having an effect.
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Old 07-23-2016, 03:19 PM   #144
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it's only the beginning of???? More repairs perhaps?
I have owned ...
about 80 cars (15 new),
6 houses (from 12 to 110 years old)
25+ RV trailers (1 new)
20 good quality bicycles (5 new)

EVERY SINGLE ONE of these items had to be improved at purchase, which marked only the beginning of constant maintenance or improvement.
NOTHING in the natural world is static... it will improve or deteriorate depending on the effort applied over time, and BTW; that battle ALWAYS has a losing outcome, eventually.

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Old 07-23-2016, 08:04 PM   #145
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This is true Floyd. As Frost's poem attests, "Nothing Gold Can Stay."

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Old 07-26-2016, 07:11 PM   #146
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NOTHING in the natural world is static... it will improve or deteriorate depending on the effort applied over time, and BTW; that battle ALWAYS has a losing outcome, eventually.

There are, of course, certain things that are of such poor quality to begin with that the eventual losing outcome occurs sooner rather than later, or one could even say much sooner than it should. Unfortunately, no amount of "improvement" can overcome certain deficiencies. And what one person might consider improvement, another might consider unnecessary or even an abomination.


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There are, of course, certain things that are of such poor quality to begin with that the eventual losing outcome occurs sooner rather than later, or one could even say much sooner than it should. Unfortunately, no amount of "improvement" can overcome certain deficiencies. And what one person might consider improvement, another might consider unnecessary or even an abomination.


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While this is pretty much true, it scarcely applies to any fiberglass trailer.
While subjective judgement comes from stuff like attitude, skill level and ambition, there remains a fair level of objectivity which can be applied, for example...

In law there is a thing called the "reasonable man theory" which refers to a test whereby a hypothetical reasonable man is used as a legal standard, especially to determine if someone acted with negligence. This hypothetical exercises average care, skill, and judgment in conduct which affects his own interests and those of others. This serves as a comparative standard for determining liability. Often the determination of guilt may involve the application of an "objective" test in which his conduct is compared to that of a reasonable person under similar circumstances.
Guess we can say then that while we can't define reasonable judgement, we know it when we see it!
Still , while a jury might reach a unanimous conclusion, it is pretty much a forgone conclusion that only half of the contestants in any given lawsuit will agree!
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Old 07-27-2016, 06:57 PM   #148
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Floyd, I'm not sure why you think I was specifically referring to fiberglass trailers; I wasn't. So much stuff today is both under engineered and/or manufactured from substandard materials that much of it becomes unserviceable shortly after purchase. But since you brought it up, some fiberglass trailers are engineered and manufactured with much more care and higher quality components than others. It is inevitable, given the mindset of differing company management. Even on the same automobile assembly line in the same factory, some units turn out to be "lemons" while others prove to be trouble free.

And even the courts cannot determine or declare what constitutes reasonableness; it is purely subjective. As you say, it cannot be defined. If your neighbor paints his/her house Pepto-Bismol pink he/she may believe it to be an improvement; you may see it as an abomination. There are people who cannot admit that they might be wrong. Even in the face of an overwhelming majority opinion, they believe they are being objective and reasonable. If every one of their neighbors told him/her that their pink house was a neighborhood eye sore, they would defend their color choice with their dying breath. Are they being reasonable? They are surely entitled to their opinion. Given the way attorneys are allowed to hand pick juries nowadays,12 color blind jurists might unanimously conclude that there is nothing offensive about the pink house. Is that verdict reasonable; is it subjective or objective?


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might unanimously conclude that there is nothing offensive about the pink house. Is that verdict reasonable; is it subjective or objective?


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sounds reasonable to me!
I do get your point...
Yesterday my chop saw quit. A brush failed. The brushes are supposed to be replaceable but the retainer is made of plastic which melted when the brush failed. No matter since the brushes were not available anyway.
I went out and bought another chop saw. When I cut about half way through a light gauge 1X2 rectangular tube, a brush failed on the new saw and shot flames out the side of the housing about 3".
I finished the job using cut off blades in a 4" grinder after I returned the new chop saw. Maybe it was just bad luck but I saw it as just a shoddy product. Now I must choose between no saw or another POS.
In many cases competition has become a race to the bottom!

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Now I must choose between no saw or another POS.
In many cases competition has become a race to the bottom!

You are right about a downward spiral. Very exasperating that it is difficult to find quality products in this day and age.


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Old 07-31-2016, 08:30 AM   #151
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sounds reasonable to me!
Now I must choose between no saw or another POS.
In many cases competition has become a race to the bottom!

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Old 07-31-2016, 10:21 AM   #152
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This is a good one, I played it twice...
However, manufacturing domestically is not a cure all. As you said, "In many cases...", which implies not always. As and example, I remember how bad the US cars were when the Big Three thought they owned (edited: I did not mean owed) the market.
Not nearly as bad as some folks memories. The "energy crisis" of the early seventies popularized pacific rim cars for their size, but the reliability was horrible.
While fit and finish was falsely accepted as the measure of quality, many of us still used reliability as the primary standard.
I drove American cars all through the transition years of the seventies. The mechanical reliability was unrivaled and the fit and finish was equal to any.
I have always loved small cars and admired certain pacific rim offerings.
I bought only one new in 1973, the fit, finish and mechanical reliability was so bad that it would make the most avid car enthusiast gaze longingly toward eastern Europe for improvement.
The myth of pacific rim superiority persists even today without foundation.
Today my personal fleet of daily drivers is made up of three American made vehicles, average age is over 15 years and average mileage is over 100000 miles.
Glad to compare with any of the competition on all parameters. Same challenge would apply for any decade as far back as the inception of the allegations in the early seventies.
It has been said that "Generalities are always false". That cliche' applies no better to any other industry.
Notice that "make" has been left out of this comment since it was the generality which was being addressed by both your comment and mine.

There are select Pacific Rim cars which I would be proud to own, but the same is true for select Domestics and European models as well.
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Old 08-01-2016, 02:41 PM   #153
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Well I guess it was too good to last. After my three week Scamping with no problems, the Scamp has been parked outdoors at my house in near 100 degree weather with lots of sun and no rain. At least no rain until last night that is. A series of rainstorms went through overnight, and after the weather cleared up this morning I inspected my Scamp and found the throw rugs on the floor were soaked.

There was some rain water on the inside of the door but the edge of the rug that was closest to the door was dry so I kept looking. I did find some damp rat fur under the stove; right at the bathroom wall (layout four) but it was not much. Leaking pipes is out as a cause since I had no water in the plumbing.

So I mopped up what I could, closed up the Scamp and turned on the A/C to dry it out. A sunny two hours later I came back and found pooled water under the stove where it was just damp earlier. Checking the roof of the almost perfectly level trailer I found that the water that was running off the A/C was pooled up on the roof against the bathroom vent (on the side closest to the A/C). This is the same place I had a leak before that I thought I had sealed up. Perhaps the very hot weather caused the sealant to fail.

When I had the leak at the roof mounted bath vent before, the water seemed to come into the bathroom, through the fan and then end up on the shower floor. That was not a huge problem since the water was in the wet bath area. I had a bit of that this time also, but now the vast majority of the water appears to be penetrating at the roof vent and going under the insulation to the floor.

If I knew, when I bought the camper what I know now, I would have insisted that the roof bath vent (VanAir) not be installed. The vent is designed for a vehicle or RV with a flat roof, which the Scamp is not. The curve of the roof means that quite a bit of sealant is required and I feel sure that this install is prone to failure.

So now I am trying to decide if I should just strip out the silicone sealant and redo it with ProRV, or maybe remove the vent fan altogether and make this my first major fiberglass repair project. Its going to be hot and wet here so Ill wait for better weather and keep the tongue higher in the meantime so that the water on the roof flows away from the vent.

Photo is prior to the original attempt at repair.

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Gordon: Your Scamp is still under warranty, right? So why not have a shop do the repair and get Scamp to pay for it?

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