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Old 08-22-2016, 08:56 AM   #169
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I would instantly send the curved AC pictures to Scamp and ask why the bottom of the AC is not flat. The only reason I can think of is a bad installation/installer. Every AC I've seen is flat on the bottom.
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Old 08-22-2016, 09:28 AM   #170
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That approach is reasonable and works well if the wise old man is responsive and/or truly cares about the quality of his work in the first place. Having owned a Scamp myself, I'm not sure that is applicable in this situation. Perhaps the reason you have always had good luck with Scamp and they treat you with respect is because they are aware that you have a greater ability to repair their trailers than they have to construct a trailer free of defects in the first place.


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I appreciate the compliment, but it doesn't complement my comment.
I said " Its really not a matter of luck".

It is clear to me why you could not be sure of the applicability of the old adage in this situation.
I can't imagine a business or a product which has not or does not occasionally become afflicted with an inconsolable customer...
Your ability to sell such a disappointment at such an amazing price in such a short time, (like 45minutes) does say something about the build quality and reputation of the single most successful fiberglass trailer manufacturer now extant.
And so the question remains to a new generation, whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous inconsolability or to take up arms against a puddle of troubles! ( for dark is the suede that mows like a harvest)
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Old 08-22-2016, 09:29 AM   #171
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I am no expert, but that looks all kinds of wrong. I'm not sure how it would impact your situation, but it sure doesn't look right.

You may need to plan a trip to Backus. Or get them to recommend a shop for you to take it to.
I would guess that the curve is no issue but I would love to see it compared to other installs that have stood the test of time (a few years at least).

No, not going back to Backus for this. Over 2,600 miles round trip, over $530 in gas alone (not counting camping fees, tolls, etc. Not going to happen. Local shop is looking more like it but, as a rule, RV places don't know fiberglass repair and fiberglass people don't know A/C removal and install.
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Old 08-22-2016, 09:34 AM   #172
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I can't imagine a business or a product which has not or does not occasionally become afflicted with an inconsolable customer......
or to take up arms against a puddle of troubles!..
I surly hope you are not referring to me in particular, for I have been a very reasonable and patient customer, and have in fact saved Evelands a good amount of money by doing repairs (for things that should not have needed repair) myself, and accepting sub-standard cosmetics.

And I also hope you are not implying that puddles on my floor are a trivial problem.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:15 AM   #173
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Puddles on the floor are the reason so many fiberglass RV have rotten floors (stickies too).
In my opinion if the AC causes the roof to sag and puddle the seal must eventually leak.
It would seem to me that the roof is not reinforced well enough for the load of the unit.
I understand that the roofs are reinforced for this, but this does not seem to be right to me.

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Old 08-22-2016, 10:36 AM   #174
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I would guess that the curve is no issue but I would love to see it compared to other installs that have stood the test of time (a few years at least).

No, not going back to Backus for this. Over 2,600 miles round trip, over $530 in gas alone (not counting camping fees, tolls, etc. Not going to happen. Local shop is looking more like it but, as a rule, RV places don't know fiberglass repair and fiberglass people don't know A/C removal and install.
There can be no question that the curved door as designed does not meet the same standard as a flat RV door.

The curved door without further engineering would surely be a problem if it were a submarine or a space craft! It is however adequate and iconic to the genre and adds character and an endearing quality which more than offsets its slight imperfections. The replacement of the stock latch with an adjustable RV latch has proven to be an improvement worth the effort.

The curved door is fiberglass and so responds to heat and cold or direct sunlight more than the flat door. I responded to the problem by designing a new seal which proved satisfactory to me for many years and which has been recently improved upon at the factory.
Casita still uses the curved design on its two smaller trailers but chose to go with a Flat RV door for the 17.
Aesthetics are subjective as are performance standards, but objective results must go to the flat RV door. It is an outsourced industry standard item whereas the curved door is an in house product. Mine has withstood the test of time 12+ years and has in fact a better seal than when delivered.
I have seen many flat RV doors which could not stand the test of time, but they are fairly easily replaced and work well before they start to deteriorate.

While companies like Lear have perfected the curved door, I suspect that the cost of purchase from them would be prohibitive.

It is often said that the good is the enemy of the perfect... I like the curved design
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:00 AM   #175
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I appreciate the compliment, but it doesn't complement my comment.
I said " Its really not a matter of luck".

It is clear to me why you could not be sure of the applicability of the old adage in this situation.
I can't imagine a business or a product which has not or does not occasionally become afflicted with an inconsolable customer...
Your ability to sell such a disappointment at such an amazing price in such a short time, (like 45minutes) does say something about the build quality and reputation of the single most successful fiberglass trailer manufacturer now extant.
And so the question remains to a new generation, whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous inconsolability or to take up arms against a puddle of troubles! ( for dark is the suede that mows like a harvest)

It's pretty bad when someone perceives that which is meant as sarcasm to be a compliment.
And I would ask what makes Scamp "the single most successful fiberglass trailer manufacturer." Is it quantity sold, because last time I checked McDonald's had over X Bazillion sold, but that doesn't mean that the quality of their food is outstanding, it just means they have made a lot of money selling a questionably inferior product.
Floyd, I have known you for some time and from face-to-face conversations I know you care about the quality of your work, unless I have misinterpreted your projected work ethic. Can you honestly say that if Floyd Clark were to take control in Backus instead of Kent Eveland there would be no QC changes made? I am beginning to believe if three trailers in a row leaving the lot in Backus were to fall off their frames because the shell had never been bolted to the frame your response would be that Scamp has no more problems than any other manufacturer.
Based in my experience, that is not the case. I replaced my Scamp with an Escape, that is no secret. It has given me no problems whatsoever. And I have to wonder how come I know so many people who have sold their Scamp and bought a Casita, a Bigfoot, an Escape, or fill in the blank with a brand of your choice. The curious thing is that I do not know anyone who has chosen to replace SOB with a Scamp (a tent, maybe). However, I will admit that your compulsive/blind loyalty to Scamp is admirable; there is no question as to what you believe.


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Old 08-22-2016, 11:19 AM   #176
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The curved door without further engineering would surely be a problem if it were a submarine or a space craft! It is however adequate and iconic to the genre and adds character and an endearing quality which more than offsets its slight imperfections. ...
A few photos of my "adequate" door with it's eleven month old (new design) seal letting in the daylight, and adding to my puddle of troubles:
(Part of the package being prepared for Kent Eveland)
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:24 AM   #177
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It's pretty bad when someone perceives that which is meant as sarcasm to be a compliment.
And I would ask what makes Scamp "the single most successful fiberglass trailer manufacturer." Is it quantity sold, because last time I checked McDonald's had over X Bazillion sold, but that doesn't mean that the quality of their food is outstanding, it just means they have made a lot of money selling a questionably inferior product.
Floyd, I have known you for some time and from face-to-face conversations I know you care about the quality of your work, unless I have misinterpreted your projected work ethic. Can you honestly say that if Floyd Clark were to take control in Backus instead of Kent Eveland there would be no QC changes made? I am beginning to believe if three trailers in a row leaving the lot in Backus were to fall off their frames because the shell had never been bolted to the frame your response would be that Scamp has no more problems than any other manufacturer.
Based in my experience, that is not the case. I replaced my Scamp with an Escape, that is no secret. It has given me no problems whatsoever. And I have to wonder how come I know so many people who have sold their Scamp and bought a Casita, a Bigfoot, an Escape, or fill in the blank with a brand of your choice. The curious thing is that I do not know anyone who has chosen to replace SOB with a Scamp (a tent, maybe). However, I will admit that your compulsive/blind loyalty to Scamp is admirable; there is no question as to what you believe.


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While your opinion was gained through extensive objective experience , mine is only compulsive blind loyalty.
In case you missed it again... that WAS sarcasm!

There can hardly be a question as to what you believe either.
Only our motives can now be suspect!
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Old 08-22-2016, 11:39 AM   #178
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A few photos of my "adequate" door with it's eleven month old (new design) seal letting in the daylight, and adding to my puddle of troubles:
(Part of the package being prepared for Kent Eveland)
So you think it was you to whom the aforementioned paraphrase referred?
I did anticipate that possibility in spite of the absence of ambiguity.
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Only our motives can now be suspect!

I have no motive other than to share my bad experience with others so that maybe they won't make the same mistake or will understand they are not the only one frustrated with shoddy quality. Hence, no financial gain. I am not earning income by fixing or refurbishing them.
I think I can recognize sarcasm, as well as a whole lot of other things.
Oh, and be careful where you roll. You never know what you might roll in.


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My thanks to this thread.
As a result,I just spent an enjoyable ten minutes reading Spiro Agnew quotes, laughing all the while and learning to appreciate his wisdom!
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Old 08-22-2016, 12:12 PM   #181
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Well, back on topic... I note the the air distribution box has two screw holes by each side vent (eight total) and the installation directions call for all eight to be screwed into the roof (for typical install). Also the two sheet metal screws as shown in the photo.

Scamp only used the sheet metal screws and two wood screws at the aft end of the box. This appears to be to have been plenty to hold the air dist box in place so I am not worried about that. The length and backing material is another matter of course.

I do wonder however if others with a roof AC on a Scamp have all eight, or if they have ever removed the air distribution box, were the screws an inch in length. I would not remove them just to check as this could cause a leak.

If anyone wants to check for me, you should be able to see the head of the wood screws by fully opening the side vents and looking straight up. You would almost have to have the two in the aft end, but do you have the ones by the side vents also?
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Old 08-22-2016, 12:25 PM   #182
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I looked at the picture of the top of the door and saw light.
The shield "awning" has to be solidly sealed or water will run under and into the door gap.
Ask how I know!
I thought I had sealed mine, but I was wrong and spent a while looking at the side door seals.
I put a gasket on the shell side so any water past the edge of the door would be stopped and run down the outside of it.
Still if water is puddling around the AC it will leak unless it is well sealed and I doubt it can be done over time.
If it were mine and if I were rebuilding it knot new) I would put a reinforcing frame under it with the roof curve built in to shed the water.
In any event the roof curve should be maintained and my thought is that if it is not the roof does not have sufficient stiffness and strength for the job.

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