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Old 08-29-2016, 12:44 PM   #197
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So I pulled the [VanAir] vent out completely. ... I also found a few extra screw holes, and it appears they they started to install the vent in the wrong orientation (with the drain hole not at the lowest point). I filled these screw holes even though the fresh butyl should have sealed them up anyway. ...


I need to correct myself. I am now almost certain that these three holes are actually from the screws holding up the trim ring inside the camper. The screws went up through the trim plate and up into to the fiberglass roof from the interior of the camper. This should not have been a problem since they should have been in the area where butyl was keeping things sealed up. However, the holes are further from the center (and closer to the edge of the butyl and silicone sealant) than the mounting holes so who knows if this is a cause of my leak(s) or not.

To be safe, I am not re-installing the trim ring in the same way. I will either find a better way to use the trim ring, or find an alternative way to secure the wiring and make it look pretty. This is even more reason to not get the vent if you don't plan to use your shower or bathroom much.

Screws into the fiberglass ceiling were also used for the A/C air distribution box. I expect I will have more to say about that at a later date.
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Old 08-29-2016, 01:02 PM   #198
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I dunno why Scamp quit putting the small crankout window up front in the bathroom. I have it and would NOT trade it for ANY vent. It provides- not only ventilation- but lets in outside lighting as well. I dont have trouble with it leaking and I dont mind putting the little "rock shield" in place when I get ready to pull.

In my opinion, that was a serious "downgrade" on Scamp's part!
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Old 08-30-2016, 07:00 AM   #199
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As Donna often says, "You can't miss what you've never had." Casita owners aren't complaining about their vents. That also tells me it's possible to do the vents right even on a curved surface. Hopefully with a bit of pressure and feedback from customers like you, Gordon, Scamp will get it right. Eventually. Meantime, though, I sure understand your frustration.

Scamp says the change was motivated by complaints about leaks. I've no doubt cost-savings played into the decision. So Darrell, enjoy what you've got!

I'm not thrilled about the new screen door either, but Escape owners seem fine with it on the whole, so I'm sure Scamp owners will get used to it, too. Meantime, I'll enjoy the one I've got!
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Old 08-30-2016, 07:30 AM   #200
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I'm not thrilled about the new screen door either, but Escape owners seem fine with it on the whole, so I'm sure Scamp owners will get used to it, too. Meantime, I'll enjoy the one I've got!
Oh I like the Plisse screen door! It's so easy to open and close. I am constantly going through the door while working on things here at the house and its effortless to open it and close it right back up. It's resilient and the only thing I have done to maintain it is to vacuum the track and apply a little silicone spray a few times.
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Old 08-30-2016, 07:38 AM   #201
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Oh I like the Plisse screen door! It's so easy to open and close. I am constantly going through the door while working on things here at the house and its effortless to open it and close it right back up. It's resilient and the only thing I have done to maintain it is to vacuum the track and apply a little silicone spray a few times.
That is good to hear! I like the old style mostly because it is simple and user serviceable. But it's not a hill I would die on.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:35 AM   #202
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Gordon's situation is different: he bought his Scamp new, and his warranty is just running out. He's having problems that should not be occurring on a new trailer.

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Mr. Lynn you are 100% correct when we buy a new product we rightly expect everything to work well and for years to come. As we all know, sadly that is often not the case whether it be a new trailer or a new car or a new appliance at home or a brand new home just built.

As the buyer it is frustrating!

But the truth is with every popular brand of trailer whether it be fibreglass or not there have been situations were poor workmanship comes up that somehow were missed in the quality control check.

I know of two owners of brand new trailers from two different VERY popular FG manufactures who's price tags are at the middle to higher end of the FG trailer offerings, who had long lists of poor workmanship issues with their trailers from the beginning. Both sold their trailers after a year of use due to their concerns with poor build quality.

I own an SOB that has by most peoples standards a stupidly high new price tag. Yet its not uncommon to see on that trailers user forum a thread like this one where someone has a long list of problems with a brand new trailer in regards to workmanship and finish. But on the same forum its also not uncommon to see someone report on their first shake down trip that they had no issues/concerns. Does that seem right - nope - but it happens!

Currently shopping for a home builder! LOL thats an eye opener! Have learned one needs to go into at least two ( 4 is probable better) different homes the builder has built that are near complete or completed to take a real good look at the finish quality, Even from the same builder with the same sq ft pricing, finish workmanship can be all over the map!

Suspect the variances all comes down to the workforce. Someone who normally is known to do good work for what ever reason has a bad day? Perhaps there are some new staff on who's work is not up to par and the management for what ever reason has not figured that out yet or your product is the first one that employee worked on and has since been fired.

I see people here suggest they would not buy another of what ever brand trailer they have due to disappointment over build or finish quality and they are going to buy another brand expecting better build quality. While I expect that the odds are pretty good that they will get a better build/finish quality, as the old saying goes "you get what you pay for" BUT I am not so sure their new trailer will in fact be completely problem free.

Sad but true.

Personally think the only thing a consumer can do to protect themselves is to go with a manufacturer who has an outstanding customer service record. I do not think any of them no matter what they are building can guarantee they will deliver a product that does not have any issues what so ever. But the ones with good customer service record will more often than not do their best to fix any issues.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:46 AM   #203
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I feel for you Gordon when it comes to "extra holes." Even my 1988 Scamp has four extra holes in the front. Not for curtain rods, has those too. And not for an upper cabinet, doesn't have one. It's like someone drilled the holes for the curtain rods and decided they were too low. The solution? Rivet and cap. Other than looking stupid, it works. I just have four extra holes to maintain that do absolutely nothing.
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Old 09-04-2016, 06:10 PM   #204
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I have started a new thread to specifically detail the problem I had with a leak from screw holes through the roof. While I believe the trailer came from the factory this way, I cannot say for certain. Furthermore, making warranty claims has become a slow and annoying process to the extent that I found it easier to fix things myself, so that is what I did. It was easier to go to the hardware store and get a few feet of hose to replace the kinked and unusable shower drain hose, and then replace it myself, as opposed to getting one from Scamp under warranty which I would replace myself anyway.

The roof leak took me half a day to fix, but I did not want to deal with local dealerships who know nothing about fiberglass trailers, and I did not want to allow the leak to continue while I dealt with the warranty. If I lived close enough to Backus I would have gone back, but I don't. So I dealt with it myself and documented it here: Scamp roof A/C can cause a leak.
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Old Yesterday, 03:03 PM   #205
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After repeatedly dealing with water intrusion in my Scamp (now 18 months old) I am afraid I am going to have to conclude that it is not possible to always keep the interior completely dry while the camper is stored outdoors and is not under cover. The latest find was water apparently coming in through the refrigerator vent and making its way to the floor. My experience has been that water coming in the fridge vent does not happen often and usually not unless it is wind driven rain or you are traveling through the rain. But today the wood in the fridge compartment was wet so I pulled out the carpet in the storage area under the fridge to find it was wet also (layout 4 with large fridge on starboard side by the door). The carpet does a great job of hiding the water so you would not know about it unless you looked under the carpet, or until the floor rotted and / or mold developed. So here I am again, drying out my camper and trying to keep it from getting water damage.
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Dont THINK I've had that problem. My Scamp stays under my carport except for the 2-3 weeks of 95% rainless outings. I HAVE washed the Scamp several times...I need to check that compartment. I know mine had the white paint/sealer....maybe "Kilz" or similar?

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After repeatedly dealing with water intrusion in my Scamp (now 18 months old) I am afraid I am going to have to conclude that it is not possible to always keep the interior completely dry while the camper is stored outdoors and is not under cover. The latest find was water apparently coming in through the refrigerator vent and making its way to the floor. My experience has been that water coming in the fridge vent does not happen often and usually not unless it is wind driven rain or you are traveling through the rain. But today the wood in the fridge compartment was wet so I pulled out the carpet in the storage area under the fridge to find it was wet also (layout 4 with large fridge on starboard side by the door). The carpet does a great job of hiding the water so you would not know about it unless you looked under the carpet, or until the floor rotted and / or mold developed. So here I am again, drying out my camper and trying to keep it from getting water damage.
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Old Yesterday, 04:13 PM   #207
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...I know mine had the white paint/sealer....maybe "Kilz" or similar?
In my photo you can see where they painted white on the right, but under the carpet no paint.. only a little adhesive, so little in fact that the carpet came up easy.
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I like the Calmark cover. It would probably prevent wind blown rain from getting in and it really helps keep the trailer cleaner.
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Old Yesterday, 04:47 PM   #209
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Gordon; we have a friend that owns a Scamp 13 and has the problem of water entering through the fridge vents and soaking the unpainted OSB board (or whatever it is there) His Scamp is about the same age as yours. His calls to Scamp did not result in a solution. I recommended he try the stick-on RV gutter above the vent and it may have helped. How about the stick on window rain guards that are sold for cars & trucks, if you could find the right length.
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Old Yesterday, 06:08 PM   #210
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Actually, going back to the first time I saw water in the fridge compartment over a year ago, I have had many online discussions about the problem, and also conversed with Kent Eveland at Scamp Headquarters. It seems that the problem is inconsistent and no one has solution that always works. Some things, like the gutter, help in some situations but not in others. If Scamp would build the camper so that water that does get into the compartment would safely drain out, that would ideal. But that would cost more. It would also be nice if Dometic offered fridge vent(s) that could be completely closed up and pretty much water tight, for use only when the fridge was not in use.

No cover for me since I hope to relocate and have a carport. In the meantime I just dry out the camper when this happens. Luckily it mostly stays dry, most of the time.

By the way, I have used the stick-on RV gutter over the door and that does seem to help keep water out of the door area.
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