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Old 04-14-2016, 10:45 AM   #29
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So sad to read about the poor quality of these new Scamps. Just a matter of no quality control inspections at the factory. Which is management's fault.

Sounds a lot like the poor quality of american autos before the Japanese autos arrived.

I feel sorry for the buyers of new Scamps who expected better.

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Old 04-14-2016, 11:35 AM   #30
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I have been working to seal my 1985 project 16' Scamp.
I am pretty much done except for a persistent leak in front of the door in the new closet area.
I can't blame Scamp since the thing is 30 years old, but the floors were all rotten for some time.
My leak (I think) is coming due to an incompletely sealed belly band interior fiberglass job.
I think the water runs over the top half of the outside lip and over and around and into the crevice between the halves. I think there is a channel that runs to the front side of the door and then inside from there.
My plan is to cut a groove or kerf with a skill saw that I can reliably seal with some polyurethane caulking all the way around.
It water is trapped in this area in winter it would expand and perhaps open a crack into the inside again.
With the aluminum band it place and caulked on the top surface then the water would not run in either and this would be a secondary protection after the sealing.
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Old 04-14-2016, 11:56 AM   #31
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Having never purchased a new Scamp before it is quite sad to hear that the quality is either slipping, or was in-fact, never there. I wouldn't base that judgement on my 1986 Scamp trailer as I cannot even tell if the bathroom is stock or not.

I used to assume any issues were result of age and prior owners damaging things. Now I am not so sure, and I might even believe that my "shower" was stock.
I used to recommend Scamp (yes, rather blindly I guess) and I will no longer do that based on your feedback. I will stick with recommending egg campers since I lived right near where they are made. I have seen them, and know they are decent.

I guess this is what happens when you have arguably the most recognized name in fiberglass trailers. :/ Without good competition (and by that I mean a LOT of competition, not just quality) they just don't need to give a rats @$$.

I've long recognized that Casita trailers are higher quality just by looking at them from a distance of 20 feet at local storage lots. I didn't know that such little things like the application of sealants were done so poorly on Scamps though. Very sad.

At least you can easily fix all of those sorts of things yourself, and the base trailer will in-fact last you a lifetime with good care. The main value is still there.

Thanks for sharing this information with us.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:06 PM   #32
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We toured the Casita plant this winter while in TX. I have to say I'm not quite as convinced about the supposed superior quality level to Scamp. Far more similarity than differences.

We'd love to spend some time pawing over an Escape, but alas, the distance to BC makes considering buying one a pipe dream and their backlog is even worse than Evelands. I chalk most of this stuff up to the mom 'n pop nature of these small companies. If you see where these are made, just the barebones facilities and how they're made, you'd likely better appreciate how technologically speaking, they are lightyears removed from the complexity of the auto industry.

These little campers just are what they are. Campers.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:15 PM   #33
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Yeah I have never ever stepped foot inside of a Casita, so I can't say with any kind of factual certainty that it is better. My observation from the outside has always given me an impression of higher quality though. Even something as simple as the molded in wheel wells is higher quality than the hang over cut out edges with trim applied that Scamp does. I see this also with the molded in location for the water heater to keep it level. Scamp just whacks a hole in the side and makes no attempt to level it at all. Those outer appearance things are what I based my comment on. I actually don't know the truth. Quality posts like those from the OP of this thread are how I can know more about trailers and other things I don't own. I appreciate it greatly.
In saying I recognized it, I literally meant that as in it looked like it to me. Not so much that it's an actual fact. I love all fiberglass trailers. I wish I did have the experience in owning them all!
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:16 PM   #34
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Others can call escape they will put you in touch with hopefully a model to look at on your area. Their referral service.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:22 PM   #35
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Others can call escape they will put you in touch with hopefully a model to look at on your area. Their referral service.
Not to go too far off topic, but Escape's decision to go bigger and bigger has also sorta put them off our radar, to be honest about it.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:25 PM   #36
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Oh while this topic is up and active, does anyone know if Scamp, at one point it time, DIDN'T use a molded fiberglass part for the base of the front shower?

On my 16 deluxe the front shower almost seems to me like someone converted it from the front dry bathroom option TO a shower. It has no molded fiberglass floor pan at all.
It had the 10 gal ceramic toilet, and it had the front sink. The shower itself is made up of a false floor installed over the main floor level drop down. This sandwiched a P trap inside. There was no grey water pump. Thin flat fiberglass panels were placed over top of all of the extra false flooring. Flooring which was even under the toilet and had over a 1" gap between it and the main floor boards! These panels were sealed together with insane amounts of white silicone. the entire surround for the "shower" is insulite, yet the trailer has the marine carpet everywhere else. Including the ceiling in the bathroom. Which has no vent.

Wood screws were driven right through the front of the trailer into the false floor bits to hold them in place. It was absolutely terrible. Water ran through a green hose into the tank. Well, it WOULD if the trailer were tilted backwards. No pump, and no check valve means that every time I hit the breaks the "shower" would flood with gray water.
Since it didn't seal AT ALL, the whole front end of the trailer would be pouring that out from every crack when observed from outside.

That's all gone now, but wow it confused me. Surely this isn't Scamps doing?
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:28 PM   #37
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Oh and the wood screws from the outside did have snapcaps on them and looked normal. The wood parts that fit together to build the shower pan had writing in marker on the underside that said "SKAMPERLAND" just like my water tank. This points at it being original, but holy heck batman, was this made poorly.
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Old 04-14-2016, 12:29 PM   #38
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I am quite sure that somewhere, someplace, is a litany of similar errors and shortcomings on all the various FGRV makers, to various degrees. I seriously doubt that folks find any of them to be delivered in perfect, flawless condition. Perhaps I'm wrong, I've been wrong before.

If Scamp's quality was bad enough to completely turn us off we wouldn't have ordered another one. I guess we're either reckless or realistic about what one should expect from these tiny little manufacturing companies. With 30-35 floor workers, they turn out 400 units, hand built each year. They are what they are. Can/should they do better? Oh, I'm sure they should and I suspect they care pretty deeply about staying on top their game. They just don't always execute the game plan sometimes.
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Old 04-14-2016, 01:07 PM   #39
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you're a very kind and understanding person. I do think that they should hire just ONE more person then. Make it 31-36 and have that person inspect each trailer carefully before it goes out. This should include making a rain "room"(can just be a frame made of PVC with holes in it hooked to a garden hose. Nothing even close to expensive.) to blast it with water and observe from the inside for leaks. But that's just me I guess.
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Old 04-14-2016, 01:31 PM   #40
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.... No pump, and no check valve means that every time I hit the breaks the "shower" would flood with gray water.
Since it didn't seal AT ALL, the whole front end of the trailer would be pouring that out from every crack when observed from outside.
That's easily solved by putting the stopper in the shower pan in preparation of towing. My 1988 is the same way. Easy/peasy and no mess.
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That's easily solved by putting the stopper in the shower pan in preparation of towing. My 1988 is the same way. Easy/peasy and no mess.
For the time, I got an expanding boat plug for the shower floor. The stock stopper/strainer didn't seal at all. Doesn't help that the drain was rusty inside.

Glad to be rid of all of that mess in there though!
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Oh my, I picked up my brand new Scamp 13' on a day it was 5 degrees outside, and it was three days before we were in weather above freezing. I think this may be one reason they test the water system with 'air' instead of water!
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