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Old 06-13-2016, 09:43 PM   #15
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Thanks to all of you for information...currently digesting it...and have a lead on a couple Nissan Xterras near Bozeman, Mt. that might work. ('02 and '04)...I am OLD and won't give up camping and exploring just yet! Unfortunately the company I got the receiver hitch and electric brakes from doesn't have a computerized system , so no chance of getting a receipt from them. The Ins. co said , they need proof of purchase of those items and then would adjust accordingly. Whew!

That may be the case for the hitch but the brake controller is an obvious separate piece of equipment attached to the dash that simple unplugs - not any different to if you had a portable GPS. If you had a portable GPS or IPod plugged into the dash would they not give those back to you?
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Old 06-13-2016, 10:11 PM   #16
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[QUOTE=Borden;592764]Subaru recommends 8% Toyota says 9% for the cars/QUOTE]



No Subaru does not say that!

What they actually say is:

"Ensure that the trailer tongue load is from 8 to 11 percent of the total trailer weight and does not exceed the maximum value of 200 lbs (90 kg)."

"The tongue load can be adjusted by proper distribution of the load in the trailer. Never load the trailer with more weight in the back than in the front; approximately 60 percent of the trailer load should be in the front and approximately 40 percent in the rear."

"If the trailer is loaded with more weight in the back of trailerís axle than in the front, the load is taken off the rear axle of the towing vehicle. This may cause the rear wheels to skid, especially during braking or when vehicle speed is reduced during cornering, resulting in over- steer, spin out and/or jackknifing."


As someone who pulled with a Subaru for a number of years I assure you that you are best to follow the time tested rule of towing with a travel trailer of putting at least 10% of the trailer weight on the tongue and 12% is even better.

Leave the under 10% tongue weight application to pulling a boat - but then again depending on what type of boat you are pulling you may find you need 10% or more.

I also highly suggest strongly that you read what Toyota Actually says on the topic as well!!
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:23 AM   #17
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For our 2003, the factory tow package is what gives you the ability to tow 3500; otherwise it's just 2000#. Should have specified year for sure.
Apparently in 2003, the package included the transmission cooler, the basic 4 prong wiring and hitch, and a few other things...
For warranty we purchased new car with tow package, included 7 pin wiring, brake module, hitch, and a lot more. They said a trans-axle cooler a must but we would have to add it; so Mr Transmission put it in, The added Toyota safety systems as well required. When we picked it up the dealers rep explained the transmission changes and the need for weight distribution draw system with sway control and we would have to purchase it, Tire pressures and such also explained. Our hitch is a frame hitch connects at back runs under trunk up over wheel well and reconnects at the split seat area. This gave us extra weight drawing ability. We also told had to be a 4 door sedan. Randy at Can-Am RV in London Ontario the hitch expert setup the hitch system. The ministry, Randy, and the dealer all told us not to over inflate the trailer tires, tire max on sided wall is not the correct pressure, we learned that for our trailer it is 32 lbs per tire.
After the experience if getting a used vehicle would look for a vehicle that was factory sold with tow package if possible as not all items can be easily added retro to TV.
Remember drive legal, drive safe and have fun.
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Old 06-14-2016, 12:38 PM   #18
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Check Cars.com. I see allot that fit your needs in the portland area but you would need to check your own area. I regularly see GM and Ford F150's RWD 6 and small 8's most have low millage (4X4 means big bucks) but allot have tow packages and hitches already. And less than 100,000 miles on them. Explorer is another option almost all of the V8 models came with tow packages.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:49 AM   #19
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something like this

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...C=CRTrFBcusdyb

Used 1997 Ford F150 CAB
$4,999
81,776 mies
Color:Blue Engine:4.2L V6 12V MPFI OHV, Transmission:4-Speed Automatic
and its got a hitch already. Down side its in WA state.
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Old 06-18-2016, 09:09 PM   #20
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tow vehicle?

I am looking at getting a '09 Honda Odyssey to tow my 16' Scamp. It was set up to tow a Casita from the owner....has 97000 miles on it and an '09. Very nice shape. I think engine is 3.5....anyone have experience with this tow vehicle and is the engine strong enough to pull up the passes between Mt. and Az.?
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Old 06-18-2016, 11:15 PM   #21
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You should have no problem doing that. Norm & Ginny (honda03842) have an Odyssey for their Scamp 16 and they love it. Currently they're vacationing in Newfoundland. Previously they towed the Scamp with a CR-V all over North America, tens of thousands of miles (Rocky Mountains and all), and were quite happy.

I think there's a timing belt that has to be changed at a particular mileage interval on that van... 105,000 miles, maybe? Not sure. Just be aware, it's a maintenance bill you'll want to save up for.
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Old 06-19-2016, 06:14 AM   #22
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I am looking at getting a '09 Honda Odyssey to tow my 16' Scamp. It was set up to tow a Casita from the owner....has 97000 miles on it and an '09. Very nice shape. I think engine is 3.5....anyone have experience with this tow vehicle and is the engine strong enough to pull up the passes between Mt. and Az.?
Ace, We did tow with a Honda CRV (250,000 miles) and now tow with a Honda Odyssey (40,000) miles. I liked the CRV because it was a simpler vehicle, Ginny loves the Odyssey because it's more comfortable and bigger. The CRV was great and took us everywhere and was totally reliable. SO far the Odyssey has done as well. The Odyssey has a V-6, wonderfully powerful.

The CRV got better mileage towing, but the Odyssey is respectable, typically in the 19s. Now I'm not a high speed driver. When not towing the Odyssey does better than the CRV because it shuts off cylinders (one of the reasons it's a more complex engine).

To me reliability is important, our Odyssey is our only vehicle, we travel out of the way where there are no Honda Dealers, we expect it to be our only car for 10 years.

Like some Hondas, not the CRV, the timing belt does need to be replaced, I would consider that when negotiating the price. Actually I would have a Honda dealer go through it to see what may need repair beyond the timing belt.

My experience with Honda's, decades, has been high reliability. The Odyssey is the most popular minivan for a reason. It's Huge, Ginny says when we get really old and can't tow we can sleep in the Odyssey.

Glad to answer any direct questions.

As to the tongue weight, we have/had 200 lbs of tongue weight on the Odyssey and CRV, around 8%. In all our years of travel it's never been a problem. We do mostly travel with an anti-sway bar ($50) and consider it our insurance program. THe CRV tongue was rated for 220 lbs and the Odyssey for 350 lbs. We adjust our ball mount to minimize the distance from ball to receiver picking up a few percent improvement.
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Old 06-19-2016, 07:37 AM   #23
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I am looking at getting a '09 Honda Odyssey to tow my 16' Scamp. It was set up to tow a Casita from the owner....has 97000 miles on it and an '09. Very nice shape. I think engine is 3.5....anyone have experience with this tow vehicle and is the engine strong enough to pull up the passes between Mt. and Az.?
Five questions:
  1. Do you know if the Casita was a 16' or a 17'?
  2. How many of those 97K miles are towing miles?
  3. Does it have an auxiliary transmission cooler?
  4. Do you know the maintenance history?
  5. Does it have the VCM system?

Personally, I'd be cautious buying any vehicle with that many miles that was used for towing.

I ask about the Casita because the loaded weight of the 17' deluxe models is right at the upper limit of the vehicle's tow rating, and tongue weight typically exceeds the rating by quite a bit. In spite of that, I am aware of a number of people towing 17' Casitas with Odysseys with the addition of a WDH. If this one was used that way, I would pass. But if it was a 16' Casita, and if most of the miles were non-towing, and if it had the cooler, and if I could verify regular maintenance (especially that the transmission was serviced according to the "severe use" schedule), and if the price were right (factoring in the cost of a timing belt replacement.)… I might.

Based on my experience with the same engine in my 2011 Pilot towing a Scamp 13, I expect towing performance to be adequate but not sparkling. A lot depends on your expectations. Some expect to be able to keep up with passenger vehicles on long grades. That it will not do. You'll have to gear down and slow down. Being naturally aspirated, you have less power and torque available at high elevations. But it will get you there. There have been some issues with the VCM system, so I would avoid it if possible, especially early versions. I think… not sure… it was only included on EX-L trim and above in 2009. You can tell by looking at the plastic engine shroud.
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Old 06-19-2016, 09:54 AM   #24
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I'll third the suggestion to buy back your totaled van IF it's safe to drive. Even if you have to replace the windshield, that's relatively cheap. Then, when you're back home you can shop at your leisure.

If that's not an option, I'd look at Japanese SUVs. There were jillions of them sold as momwagons and never used to their potential. Many just happen to have good towing specs right out of the box. You mentioned Xterra, those are good in V6 trim, my preference is Toyota's 4runner.


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