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Old 01-29-2014, 01:11 PM   #15
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Yes!!!! ^ i figured id just bite my toungue. Thanks david!
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Old 01-29-2014, 01:17 PM   #16
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As someone who likes to restore old Trillium trailers, I have run into several people giving advise to "buy a new one" be it a trailer, or appliances, or what ever. I realize that, if you have more money then you know what to do with, that makes sense, I guess. But I get a thrill out of saving things, and getting maximum value. Our throw away society makes me sad.

Though it should be mentioned that if you are heating your trailer by combining oxygen and some fuel, you should have a tested CO detector. Incense works.
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Old 01-29-2014, 01:36 PM   #17
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As the old saying goes (I suppose)

There are Old Pilots
and there are Bold Pilots
But there are few Old, Bold, Pilots.

Not knowing a thing about qualifications of the person asking the question, (but who did have to ask where to find a gasket) much less those that read this same post in the next minute, day, month & year, I will always err on the side of safety, as I am sure will many others.

The very fact that this type of appliance is no longer installed in or available for RV use, speaks tons to me.
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:25 PM   #18
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So if you have anything to offer, other then your vague fears, then please do.
David I highly respect your skills in restoring your trailers and the fact you have enough experience to take a look at an old gravity feed furnace and be able to determine without out outside help if its in good enough condition to use. As well as make modifications to its venting to improve it. Sadly most here are not that skilled or knowledgable.

The simple fact is more than 400 people a year in the US die from unintentional CO poisoning, more than 20,000 visit the emergency room and more than 4,000 are hospitalized due to CO poisoning. (numbers provided by www.CDC.org) Those are no vague fears. Its as I am sure you are aware why the furnace in question is no longer made or installed for RV's. Pretty simple it does not have adequate venting and puts people at a higher risk to carbon monoxide poisoning than newer RV furnaces that have fans.

Its entirely up to each individual as to how much risks is to much. As to my comments and I suspect Bob's as well, its important that people new to RV's understand that there is a VERY real risk to continue to use old gravity feed furnaces with no fans. Simple as that.
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LOL Glenn, your reporter days seem to be surfacing! ;-) Hopefully this discussion really doesn't need to go that far!
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The simple fact is more than 400 people a year in the US die from unintentional CO poisoning, more than 20,000 visit the emergency room and more than 4,000 are hospitalized due to CO poisoning. (numbers provided by www.CDC.org) Those are no vague facts. Its as I am sure you are aware why the furnace in question is no longer made or installed for RV's. Pretty simple it does not have adequate venting and puts people at a higher risk to carbon monoxide poisoning than newer RV furnaces that have fans.
I read the linked to FAQ. While the numbers quoted are there, there was no information about the source of the danger. The possibility's seem endless. One article, on the same site, discussed a CO fatality from underground blasting fumes leaking up through the ground, weird. CO poisoning is commonly associated with the operation of an automobile. I suspect a large proportion of the deaths are from this source. Do you suggest that we stop using cars?

I don't dispute the dangers of CO. I have my kids in that trailer. I simply object to the idea that this type of heating is any more dangerous than any other type of furnace. I believe gravity furnaces to be in many ways safer then forced air furnaces. There are fewer things to go wrong, they don't depend on the operation of a fan to vent the CO.

These type of furnaces are still made, just not for RV's:
http://www.empirezoneheat.com/assets...,215)-10SG.pdf

This design is almost exactly like the furnace in my trailer. Do you think there is something special about the RV application that makes them more dangerous then domestic use? The only thing that would stop me from installing the linked furnace in a trailer is that the vent sticks out like 3".

It is my position that, with the use of a properly maintained and tested CO alarm, a 40 year old, inspected gravity furnace, is just as safe as any other combustion based heating appliance. And by inspected, I don't mean it is necessary to have a furnace expert look at it. I think almost anyone could determine if the heat exchanger is in danger of leaking.
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CO poisoning is commonly associated with the operation of an automobile. I suspect a large proportion of the deaths are from this source. Do you suggest that we stop using cars
Nope but I don't sleep in my car with the engine running either
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Fwiw, i took a pic of my suburban 6-34 / GT-6 Click image for larger version

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Complete with computer fan that blows upward. Click image for larger version

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Look at that pretty burner
Also, i find it too cold to Scamp in less than 20 deg F.
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Complete with computer fan that blows upward.
Hope thats a typo and you meant outward?

You do have a pretty box but the box as far as I am aware is not the issue with these old units - its the state of the actual burners and the exhaust and intact vents or lack there of.
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I am not sure how whether you sleep in your car, or not would make any difference. Dead is dead. Some die from the fumes of a car idling outside the fresh air intake on their house, (no link just something I remember).

I think my point was that all this concern about the safety of gravity feed furnaces in an RV is based entirely on conjecture. A blanket statement like, "I think that anything connected to the LP system that's been bouncing down the road for 40 years has outlived it's useful life." is just not very helpful.
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A blanket statement like, "I think that anything connected to the LP system that's been bouncing down the road for 40 years has outlived it's useful life." is just not very helpful.
Very true but I would suspect that most people would give second thought to a product design that can no longer be legally sold and installed into an RV and one that a licences propane installer will not touch for any amount of money - at least those who value their licence will not. Thats the kind of thing what is helpful to me to know when making educated decisions on whether I feel good about using something or not.
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I was not aware that licensed propane installers had a problem with these furnaces. I guess the folks at Trillium / Outback are not licensed then, or don't value their licence. Odd for a manufacturer of trailers.
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Because NFPA Sez So????

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I am not sure how whether you sleep in your car, or not would make any difference. Dead is dead. Some die from the fumes of a car idling outside the fresh air intake on their house, (no link just something I remember).

I think my point was that all this concern about the safety of gravity feed furnaces in an RV is based entirely on conjecture. A blanket statement like, "I think that anything connected to the LP system that's been bouncing down the road for 40 years has outlived it's useful life." is just not very helpful.
First.... All any one can offer here is "Opinion" and each opinion can be weighed by the recipient as it it's validity. When I say "I think" that's the extent of my opinion. If someone values my opinion(s), the opinion becomes helpful, if not, they look for other opinions, usually ones they like....

Now, I contacted "Pete" in technical support at Williams Furnace Co, Colton, CA, a manufacturer of gravity feed LP furnaces, none of which are legal for use in RV's, and asked him for a reply about using gravity feed furnaces in RV's

He reiterated that it had been deemed unsafe to use this type of furnace in moving or moveable devices such as RV's for years, as stated in the NFPA-54, National Fuel Gas Code Rules and Regulations.....period.

In the world of furnaces in the US of A, that's pretty much the end of the discussion. As Sheldon might say, it's axiomatic.

Now, it only makes sense if something that was legal 40 years ago is illegal today, that one might think that continuing it's use might not be in ones best interest. This almost begs the question if it was ever safe to use.....

NFPA 54 may not carry any legal weight north of the border, but down here it's prety much respected and followed.
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