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Old 12-17-2015, 07:50 PM   #15
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Ordering new Scamp with Larger 3-way Refrigerator

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I wonder if your setup would still work well on a fully overcast day or at dusk or dawn. Any experience under those conditions?

Works fine in overcast. Fully is a relative word. What is fully? Dark sky and raining? I have had no problem running on solar/12v on rather cloudy days. Dusk or dawn I can't say because I make a habit of not being on the road at those times. I don't usually start traveling until the sun is up or it is very light, and by late afternoon I have generally stopped for the day. When not traveling I typically run on AC or propane. Kind of obvious solar doesn't work at night.....
My point was that larger refrigerators can and do work on 12v.

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Old 12-17-2015, 08:43 PM   #16
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The following is a little off-topic but may be of interest as an alternative (or not). I installed a 4.2 cu "1 way" (12V only) TF-130 Truckfridge in my Scamp. I am very happy with the size, performance, and ease of operation. I start it to cool down the day before leaving on a trip while connected to 120V. To travel I just unplug from shore power and it runs off the batteries/tug power.

The TF barely fit through the Scamp's door with its' door and brackets removed. It would have been easier if my Scamp did not have the folding screen door blocking some of the door opening.

But did I mention I really like it? Yes, I have to ensure I have 12v at all times, but I need that for other things anyway (CPAP off inverter).
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Old 12-17-2015, 09:09 PM   #17
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I installed a Norcold 12 / 120 compressor fridge in my rebuild to not have to deal with the propane issues
It draws 4 amps when running and it cycles about 50 % for an average of 2 amps or so.
I am installing a power meter for the 12 volt circuits so later I might have a better numbrr.
This unit barely fit through the door wit it's door off also.
Personally I am planning on this being a good fit for my usage and the power use age from the TV is within reason.
I think it will also work with the future solar system.
Perhaps a gas unit would work better with solar, but my experience traveling with them hasn't been as good as the experts on this site.
I am looking into 2 100 watt flexible panels on the roof with hopes of having the low power electrical take care of itself.
We shall see!


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A pilot light is a constant source of ignition. Electronic ignition is only activated when the refrigerator calls for more cooling.
Still begs the question.
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Old 12-17-2015, 09:25 PM   #19
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And, with the safety valves in all new tanks ( that detect sudden increases in flow and shut it down ) is still no problem.
That assumes that the tank has that feature and that a cracked line would leak sufficiently to cause a "sudden increase in flow".
Also the regulator is downstream of the tank and upstream of the appliances.

Obviously the tank will allow enough gas to run the burners on the stove the hot water heater, the fridge, and the furnace all at once, that's a pretty good sized leak!
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I have a 3 way fridge and have used the 12 volt option a couple of times in 6 years. Found the 12V to be a power waste. Would rather keep the 12v power for items when 12 volt is really needed - lights, furnace and water pump. When dry camping its on propane. Works just as well on propane as it does when plugged into power or at least it does when the various parts have been cleaned. Like a number of others here I found that the tug can not keep up with supplying the 12v demand of the fridge when towing. Resulting in a depleted battery at arrival at destination. When on the road it can run on propane but I opt to simply put a couple of freezer packs in beside the dairy products and meat and it stays cool enough if you do not open the fridge for a number of hours of driving.

Have a solar system but find it does not work well at night ;-) or when camped in heavily treed campsites in poor weather which can happen more often than not here on the wet coast.

Personally would have no problem going with a 2 way fridge and probable will with the next trailer.
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:14 PM   #21
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Brad,
I'm not sure why Scamp won't tell you why they won't install a 3-way for you, but from my experience, the 12v option is useless. I had a slide-in camper with a 3-way and whenever I used it, I arrived with a run-down battery. It just uses too much juice! I've used my 2-way in my 04S16 for 12 years with the propane turned on during each trip [I do a lot of camping] and it has worked like a charm. In my opinion, the safety concerns are generated by attorneys that want to protect their clients from any possible litigation, not from any real-world issues.
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Old 12-18-2015, 04:47 PM   #22
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Old 12-18-2015, 08:53 PM   #23
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While I also have no dog in the fight here are a couple of thoughts:

1. Our 1.9cu' three way draws nearly 10 amps on DC (12volt). Which draws down the battery rather quickly. I imagine a 4.6cu' would even draw more. The 150watt solar panels probably put out enough in full sunlight to keep the battery charged.

2. Having a potential open flame (the pilot light, or electric spark, then small propane flame) is not safe when fueling and therefore having gasoline fumes near by. Even if you're driving a diesel, other's will not doubt be fueling with gasoline at the pumps. So... To be safe, you'd need to remember to turn off the frig at every fuel stop. That's something I'd either forget or soon neglect.

That said, we turn our frig off when moving.

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........ I pointed out that they draw 15 amps while on 12 Volts DC (according to Dometic's website), and any tow vehicle that could tow this trailer is going to have at least an 80 Amp alternator. Obviously the fact that these 3-way refrigerators are made, and other people actually use them, meant nothing to the people at Scamp.

Hello Brad and welcome to the forum.

Fifteen amps for the refrigerator and more to charge the battery plus the high demands of newer tow vehicles typically leads to a dead trailer battery and warm fridge. I suspect the folks at Scamp got tired of the complaints. You could add the 12 volt heating element afterwards if you wanted to try it.

While an absorption fridge will keep things cold, they tend to be slow cooling warm things like canned beverages. For that, most bring a cooler or go to a compressor fridge. Enjoy your new trailer. Raz
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Old 12-19-2015, 09:26 AM   #25
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I thought I wanted a three-way fridge when preparing to order my Escape. Instead I opted for the larger two-way.
It was pointed out to me that if I left a campsite with a depleted battery ( from running the furnace, etc. ) that when I arrived at the next campsite, I would still have a depleted battery because the vehicle could not supply enough power to run the fridge on 12V and to charge the battery.
If you insist on running your fridge on 12V, you will also have to upgrade the tow wiring to #10 from the normally used #12 just to get enough power to the fridge.
Don't know where you got your information about running the fridge on propane while driving, but it is not correct. It is not dangerous and I doubt you can find a law against it in any state. I know you won't find such a law across Canada.
You will be advised that propane must be shut off before entering tunnels, getting on a ferry and for fueling.
The fridge will stay cold for quite a while when turned off, if you don't open the door, so that's another option.
I currently have a 3-way refrigerator, use it on 12V DC sometimes and it works well. I need it when driving for long distances during hot weather.
I never thought leaving the propane on while driving was illegal until the Scamp salesman told me so (this was after the owner of the company told me that was the solution). However, I am not going to do it. A small leak, although unlikely, could turn the travel trailer into a bomb. And why would I? Most, if not all, of the Dometic and Norcold units are available in 3-way, for about $80 - $100 more.
As for 10-Gauge wiring - I never had a problem with my 12-gauge while running my current 3-way. I am an Electrician and I understand what's necessary. If the new trailer's refer draws too many amps for the 12-gauge wiring, I will re-wire the tow vehicle with 10-gauge. It's not that difficult.
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Brad,
I'm not sure why Scamp won't tell you why they won't install a 3-way for you, but from my experience, the 12v option is useless. I had a slide-in camper with a 3-way and whenever I used it, I arrived with a run-down battery. It just uses too much juice! I've used my 2-way in my 04S16 for 12 years with the propane turned on during each trip [I do a lot of camping] and it has worked like a charm. In my opinion, the safety concerns are generated by attorneys that want to protect their clients from any possible litigation, not from any real-world issues.
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I have, for many years, used the 12-volt option on my fridge while driving, with the optional 130-amp alternator on my van. But even with the stock alternator (95 amps) I had in my old truck, I never had a problem.
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Old 12-19-2015, 09:42 AM   #27
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The Scamp salesman told me that I couldn't install the larger fridge later on because it wouldn't fit through the door, which is 22" wide according to him.
I don't know when they install the fridge when building the trailer.
I also don't know why they don't offer the 3-way option - it's the exactly the same size as the 2-way.
Doesn't really matter at this point - I'm not buying a Scamp.
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Old 12-19-2015, 10:04 AM   #28
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Has anyone had this problem? I was prepared to order a brand-new Scamp 16', pretty much with all options. The refrigerators they offer are either a 1.9 Cu ft. 3-way, or a 4.6 Cu ft. 2-way. I wanted to order the trailer with the larger refrigerator, but 3-way. I see no point in a two-way, especially with the way I plan to use this trailer, and the difference in price is usually about $80 - $100.
The salesman first told me that they don't install the larger 3-way because the larger fridge draws too many amps. I pointed out that they draw 15 amps while on 12 Volts DC (according to Dometic's website), and any tow vehicle that could tow this trailer is going to have at least an 80 Amp alternator. Obviously the fact that these 3-way refrigerators are made, and other people actually use them, meant nothing to the people at Scamp.
Then he told me to speak to the owner of the company, who suggested that I buy the 2-way, and operate it on gas while I was driving. This is not only dangerous, but illegal in many states.
I also pointed out that the 3-way and 2-way models are exactly the same size and the only different thing they'd have to do is run a 12-volt line.
After a few phone calls, they finally said flat-out they wouldn't install the 3-way, larger model. The salesman understood that I was ready to order but wasn't going to order unless I could get the refrigerator I wanted.
There's no way I could install it later -the door isn't wide enough.
So, they are loosing an order for a brand new trailer for no good reason. I guess that they have all of the business they want and don't need anymore money?
Thanks everyone for your info on the 3-way/ 2-way debate. As my Father used to say: "Opinions are like butts, everyone has one, and they stink
I haven't experienced any problems with the 3-way option on my current refer in my trailer.
The fact that Scamp has been really unwilling to do this (Like I said, the 3-way model of the fridge is exactly the same size) really gives me second-thoughts. When speaking to them, it's "This is the way we do it", not more customer service oriented.
I'm breaking the bank on this one - spending alot. I want the 12V option, even if I don't use it often.
Anyway, none of this matters - I have decided to go a different way, and I'm no longer considering the Scamp.
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