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Old 11-21-2009, 08:06 PM   #15
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Count me in as an "Its my property and I do what I want" crowd. If my trailer is not a health or safety violation, and I am not in an HOA, then it should be no ones concern but mine, as long as it is clean and not a decaying eyesore.

My across the street neighbor in California had 3 Jeeps. 1 Rubicon as his daily driver and two CJs that were street legal, but only used for offroading. They were most certainly Recreational use only vehicles, but not considered Recreational vehicles. HE could park them in his driveway, and did.. the pretty Rubicon went in the garage.

He was within code, my Burro was not, but I was never cited as no one ever complained about it. I even asked ALL the neighbors before I parked my first trailer if they had an issue with it... all said "No, not at all". At that point, the county should not be involved.

The only part of the code reasoning I agree with is that if you only have room for one vehicle, parking an RV there would force you to park your car on the street. In Crestline, the narrow streets are hard to navigate under the best conditions, et alone snowy ones, so I can understand wanting to keep cars off them.

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Old 11-22-2009, 04:10 AM   #16
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WE have far too many rules, laws, regulations and they all continue to grow and expand, much like cancer, seldom diminishing, ever.

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Old 11-22-2009, 10:06 AM   #17
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Forget about challenging the ordinance in court, all the legal precedents are stacked against you.

You would have only slightly better odds getting the ordinance changed by the municipality, because the majority of people want their property rights (for which they paid considerable funds) to extend to the visible, auditory, and olfactory vicinity of their actual property... even though that contravenes the rights of others (who also paid good money for their own properties).

The best way to escape this situation is to move out of town. That's what I dream of doing someday. Our city has the same type of ordinance as yours. Fortunately we do have a backyard option, as there is a school parking lot behind our house and I've built a removable panel into the back fence for access.

Another possibility (although heretical!) would be to sell the FG and buy a van conversion type motor home that looks enough like a regular van to be parked in the driveway.
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven... --Ecclesiastes 3
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:05 PM   #18
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Ok, so a few of us are the minority! Go figure ! And you all say you are for people being able to do what they want on their property, but you truly don't know how you would feel if you had a neighbor who has a junk yard living next door to you.

As far as laws, ordiances etc if we didn't have them than our country would be like other country's where everyone runs amuck. We unfortunately need law's.

But want to add that her city does allow rv parking on her property (yes it's not where she wants to park it, but by law she can park an rv on the property. So as several of us suggested, try working with your neighbor. You never know they may let you put access, gates etc to do so at your cost. They may even want access them selfs so they might be willing to go in on it with you.) As far as the double garage door suggestion, That's the best! We considered buying a home with that type of set up. Almost bought it just for that feature, but the house was all wrong for us.
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:57 PM   #19
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Notice that LizP lives here in the People's Republic of Illinois, where everything is either taxed or against the law!
Blue states tend to take more in taxes and liberty from their "subjects".
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:38 PM   #20
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I can see your point, Robin.

I guess I think of it like I do the right to own a dog or cat. Now, I have some nearby neighbors who let their dogs bark ALL NIGHT. It drives me insane. Other neighbors let their cats roam and they spray, etc.

But do I want there to be a law against my owning a beloved, well-behaved dog or cat? No way! What I want is people who are doing things that are clearly over the line (and even if the line is grey, there still is one; I think it's wimpy to let the greyness turn things into a "one law for everyone" situation) then they are punished or disallowed from doing whatever. I don't want to have to send my pets away just because someone else's dogs bark unattended and disturb the peace.

So again, I'm not against rules, laws, and general standards for society. What I am against is "blanket" rules that punish everyone -- even the good people -- for the excess and wrongs of the few. Yes, it's difficult when things aren't black and white, but.... I think working with the grey is part of being a mature society.


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Old 11-22-2009, 01:58 PM   #21
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One way a city or organization can handle things like this is to require complaints from more than one person (household) before any action is taken. So your neighbor may say your dog is barking or your trailer is ugly, but if two other neighbors don't agree, you're fine. I've seen dog complaints handled that way- one neighbor calls and complains about every dog in the area, but the animal control won't do anything without complaints from at least one or two other people.

To send someone cruising around looking for violations where there have been no complaints is a waste of money.

We have a neighborhood issue right now over an auto-repair station that is very close to my home. It's in the middle of a residential area because it was until recently the oldest operating service station in the country, and now it is an historic landmark. The current owner cannot sell gas (tank issues) but runs a repair shop. He seems to be honest, he appears to do good work, and his employees are polite and conscientious. But two neighbors (out of many) complain about noise and finished cars being parked on the street. So those two neighbors may succeed in shutting him down and putting six people out of work, not to mention leaving the building to decay and become a drug-dealing landmark again.

On the other hand, those two are retired and home all day on work days... so maybe it does bother them more. Whereas I love the convenience of being able to get my oil changed without taking my car anywhere.

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Old 11-23-2009, 04:52 PM   #22
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Most parking regulations lump RVs, boats and commercial trucks together. Enforcement does not try to distinguish between the good, the bad and the ugly. Your trailer goes into the same category as a Port-A-John truck. In some towns they only act on citizen complaints. Some towns are totally "chicken" about it. Boca Raton FL is the very worst I ever encountered.

In one town I had to put my clean, shiny sailboat in the garage and leave the ugly rusty old station wagon out for everyone to look at.

I had a friend some years ago that had a garage with front and back doors. A standard 7' high door will not be high enough for a trailer.

Real estate listings in some places will note that a property has access for RV storage. These are usually corner properties.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:57 PM   #23
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I had a friend some years ago that had a garage with front and back doors. A standard 7' high door will not be high enough for a trailer.
Some trailers will fit into a 7' high door, so it's worth checking. Compact family trailers would, as would many Boler 13s and other older Boler clones. Each Boler/clone would have to be evaluated individually.

Granted I don't think a Burro, which the OP has, would fit under a 7' high door without going to bare rims, or creeper wheels.

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Old 12-01-2009, 02:25 PM   #24
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I am on BOTH sides... I think the laws are generally a good thing, and I am a scofflaw. The ordinance in our town is that RV's cannot be visible from the street. SO... putting a trailer behind a 6' fence is STILL out of compliance. It is a local muni ordinance, not an HOA issue. We also have the "no trash cans visible" (except on collection day) - ALSO widely ignored. As has been reported elsewhere, the City ONLY responds to citizen complaints. No complaint, no citation. I don't think they have any "enforcers" driving around LOOKING for violations.
Actually, in retrospect, that seems the right solution... the rule **IS** there, and can be enforced where enforcement is NEEDED. If someone has a complete junker... Complain! Besides, our little eggs are so much LESS of a visual thing than a ginormous 40' Class A Motorhome. I figger if it gets to be a REAL problem, I will adjust if/when that happens. Till then, the White House sits in the driveway. THEN **I** will badger Cith Hall with complaints of violators, and pester the Council to do **SOMETHING**.
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Old 12-01-2009, 04:03 PM   #25
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I think pretty much all sides have been discussed.

It is so funny how life works. I was a Scout Master and had a chance to get a Black Angus cow hide. Now as it happened, I had bought 2.5 acres way out in the county and had built a large two story log home. We camped in a large 22ft Tipi. So having a large ‘faux’ buffalo hide seem perfect for the tipi. We decided to learn to tan the hide and use it for camping.

We skinned the cow, stretched the hide on 30’ poles and scraped all the fat off. (boy that was a lot of work.) We leaned the hide up against the back of our log home and proceeded to keep working on it. We kinda thought it looked cool having such a rustic looking log home tanning our ‘faux buffalo’.

Well a neighbor 10 acres away complained told us we couldn’t do that. I was dumbfounded. Turned out there was no county ordinance. The neighbor was a local high school teacher and gave our son a hard time at the school. We had to go down there and explain to the administration what the issue was and then she was reprimanded.

My point is, one persons fun and activity is hated by others as it doesn’t fit their World View. We have always lived where we could have as much freedom as possible. We do believe in taking pride in ownership and like a clean nice neighborhood.

We now live in an HOA and are having some heart burn over the rules. The rules want everyone to be in the same lockstep.

My strategy is to quietly make sure your right and then stand up for yourself. Don’t pick a fight you can’t win.

PS: I DO have a personal issue with a law that says you have to license a vehicle and then cannot park it on your property or a city street. Sorry.
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Old 12-01-2009, 05:29 PM   #26
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My definition of "government":

"Government" is nothing but a loose collection of our friends and neighbors-our peers, really- telling US what They decide that WE must do for THEIR own good, whether we agree or not.

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