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Old 03-26-2012, 10:08 PM   #15
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Congratulations! You can save the wall covering by cleaning it well and glueing it back in place. If you don't like the looks then get out the old paintbrush and go for it.

I think it would be really, really hard to replace it all. By the way you Playpac has a layer of insulation encapsulated in the fiberglass.

I recently had my roof repaired as it had a bad sag. The fiberglass near the dome was paper thin and you could poke your finger thru it. If you have a leak at the dome go up there and check to make sure you don't have sagging. My roof wasn't thick enough to hold up the dome very well.

My ceiling ensolite is gone and I'm going to have to replace it with something. I think I can make it look nice though without replacing the whole wall coverings too.

I'm putting down Allure vinyl planks from Home Depot on the floor as I've used them before and they are really easy to install and look great.

I'm having my electrical system upgraded to 30 amp. I see that someone installed a refrigerator where the old icebox was on your Playpac. I believe that's why you have the grill in the front. I'm going to replace my icebox eventually also and I want to install a wetbath in the little closet. Do you have a wetbath?

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Old 03-29-2012, 03:26 PM   #16
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hello everybody ... welcome aboard Heather and Ernie! its Paul here, and after an extended absence/getting through some tough times, i am finally feeling motivated to get back to our little Play Pac in progress.

i'll try to answer first your questions based on my experiences - not sure if i will be of help but here goes: we had a lot of leaking too and the Previous Owner had to cut out the rotted floor and replace - he did a great job and its pretty solid, but i did notice as i have begun my reno, that there was still a bit of rot under what would be the spice cabinet at the left of the front door and heading toward the passenger side wheel well. not too happy about that but since its not a huge piece, i will be using the epoxy injection solution and simply just glass it all up with resin and hardener. if i sound like i know what i am talking about, this is untrue. never done more than try to fix a surfboard and had limited success at that! but i have all the materials i need to get into a lot of trouble renovating our Play Pac and will certainly be reporting on my progress. our other problem leads into your wall covering issue. ours were later covered with a hard foam insulation. the P.O. told me, they would wake up with wet walls like in a tent (its brilliant as we keep pretty warm and dry), they then essentially a paper mache'ed to cover the insulation, then painted it. it looks great to this day with the exception that this insulation makes getting to the fiberglass, electrical, or window frames extremely difficult. the other thing is it has come unglued on the ceiling and is essentially being held by the paper mache. i am re-gluing it because my reno requires that i cut through some of the insulation to gain access to the ceiling. as for your cabinets - if they are well situated you may wish to work around them. if they too are rotted, then you might wish to consider removing and even replacing (easy advice to give eh?).

we have really bad roof sag on the door/passenger's side so i am installing a wood column which will be attached to fiberglassed-in, wood plates on the floor and one directly above in the ceiling. i have already glued the floor and ceiling plates in and will be glassing them as soon the cold and rainy weather subsides. the column will also be attached midway down to the counter where our 2 burner stove is (its where your spice cabinet by the door would be). what this does is solve a number of problems - we have really bad roof sag, our door does not close properly as a result and its likely whats causing at least some of the leaking we find after it rains. the other side is perfect since there is support from the bathroom and cabinet construction, plus there is no hole cut into the side (the door) ... with this column supporting the opposite side - we hope to solve some these issues.

regarding flooring ... i bought some commercial grade hard rubber stuff you find in gyms and showrooms, etc. its pretty tough stuff - i got the idea when i saw it inside a photo of the Space Station and also in an airstream mini camper called the Bivouac. its pretty cool looking and i can take it out after a long trip and hose it down, let it dry, and then toss it right back in. not cheap but it will last longer than a wood or linoleum floor since i dive and my wife surfs ... but if you want to do it quick and fairly cheap, you can get the cheaper laminate wood stuff they sell at Home Depot or Costco - a box or two will likely be all you need.

here's the flooring - they will send you samples too:
Coin Grip Rubber Flooring - A Raised Stud Rubber Runner

regarding the exterior, there is another thread here and Donna has just posted one of my favorite links ever - the couple who did their ENTIRE egg in truck bed liner (Brad and Jenny or something like that). its exactly what i plan to do ... the stuff is super tough, adds insulation (a little at least), would also i think add some waterproofing, and finally, would really solve my problem of so many different surfaces (the P.O. used rubber roof paint on top but its visible where that meets the gel coat and then there are countless chips and pock marks from rocks). none of it is awful, but to put a few coats of the truck bed liner, it will even out everything and cover up all the little imperfections. i plan to use a cream or tan color so its nothing too crazy or off the mark of the original color. its not too cheap, but i got in touch with Brad about his little red Boler a couple of weeks back, and he said that it is still as good as it was when they painted it back in 2008 - and they take their Boler off road!

As for the other questions - i see the 1971-9173 production years were posted and my Play Pac buddy Meghan has helped you with the VIN ... and does she know about it! poor girl was pretty much tortured by her nasty DMV folks ... glad we could figure that one out. there is also a chance that the VIN is etched into the tongue of your trailer ... just a couple of inches forward from the fiberglass on one or the other steel channels coming out from under the fiberglass. you would likely have to get out some sandpaper - but mine is there right on top.

one other thing - with the vent up front you will have to be careful of water intrusion if you happen to be on the road during rain. i am sure a plastic or fiberglass cover for travel would take care of that, but it is just something to consider. with a once-over from a pressure washer, your Play pac will look amazing. it appears to be structurally in really great shape. inside needs TLC, but i would venture a guess that most do!

i have a running list of everyone i know to have a Play Pac and their photos .. it is actually grown beyond the dozen or so estimated but then there might be sales among those, so i can be too certain where the number is at present. however, i have the Play Pac founder's story (its posted here as well - the search function is very handy!) and a few other things saved if you ever are interested. The photos i use as reference and for ideas since any of the Play Pacs that are undergoing renovation look a bit different that the originals. if there is anything you (or others) would like, let me know and i can zip and send you the files.

its just great to have yet another Play Pac owner aboard! i am at long last, seriously moving forward with my reno and will create a new post soon with photos and lessons learned.

Camilla, i thought you weren't keeping your Play Pac!? its great to hear from you and that you are still working on it. i too am considering a wet bath. you wont believe what i have come up with! i am going to buy some FRP (fiberglass reinforced panel) at Home Depot - they sell it in 4x8 sheets. I will glue those to the bathroom walls after first installing a drain pan that i will simply hook up to my sink gray water line with a 'T' attachment. here is where folks might think i am losing it ... but ... i did a lot of research on hot water heaters and realized that we would only use the wet bath as needed and for a 'Navy' shower, so to keep most of a 10 gal holding tank water heated all the time wasn't that efficient, plus those heaters are not cheap! so i am going to mount a 5 gallon back pack sprayer to a rack and simply heat up a full pot of water on the stove and add another pot of lukewarm for a quick rinse off. the opening on the sprayer pack is very large and would accommodate filling. by mounting it to the wall the hand pump will be pulled a few times and i will modify the hand held sprayer to be shorter like a shower massage. i picked up a lightly used 28 gallon grey water tote on craigslist for a SONG - $30 (they sell for around $250!) so i just set that up right under the tongue outside and figure we will still be able to go a couple of days before dumping it with that much holding capacity. so thats my crazy idea for a wet bath. in THEORY ... stay tuned since i have much else to do first, like finish the construction work, add LED interior lighting all over, stainless coverings for the table and countertops (i already installed a nice new stainless 2 burner stove and stove cover), then i am moving the battery to the tongue. i cant believe that for how small these things are we could literally spend forever tweaking them!

anyway, congratulations again on your Play Pac. we look forward to hearing more and hopefully can help out as fellow Play Pac'ers ... but one very important thing to keep in mind is that the different kinds of eggs are more alike than they arent, so the sage advice offered here might be for a different model, but still totally applicable to your situation.

sorry for the ridiculously long post all!
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:38 PM   #17
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^ Paul is the "Chet" I was talking about. I think I did it more than once too. Sorry!!! There is medicine for that, right!?!?
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Old 03-29-2012, 03:52 PM   #18
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no worries Meghan ... i've been called a lot worse than that!
and after i realize how long that last post was, if you find that medicine, send some my way!
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Old 03-29-2012, 07:09 PM   #19
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Paul. Please take some pics of the wetbath dealie!
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:56 PM   #20
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No prob Camilla, but that is wayyyyyy down the road so hang in there. As I said, in theory it is a great solution for a 'kinda' wet bath - I will certainly have to be sitting on the porta potty since, as you know, there isn't a whole bunch of room in the 'bathroom' ... but it will certainly be a 'nice-to-have' after getting done with an all-day hike to Half Dome and being able to rinse the trail dust off before hitting the sack in our beautiful parks which often lack such amenities.
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:14 PM   #21
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[QUOTE=Camilla;296770]Congratulations! You can save the wall covering by cleaning it well and glueing it back in place.

No way this is cleaning and going back in!! It is moldy and torn and just plain nasty!! I have issues the smells! I have begun to rip it out, lesson learned....wear long sleeves, gloves, mask!
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:58 PM   #22
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Paul, please no apologies for providing a wealth of knowledge. Plus, you had my hubby, Ernie, and I in stitches.
So floor is hubbys department not certain of the plan other than I know he will "git r done"! and that is all that matters to me.
I have been removing the rotting wall covering.....not a fun job! but learning alot about the shell as I go.
I suppose we are lucky as the roof has no sagging and the body as a whole is in great condition.
At first check all lights are working. But we will probably rewire anyways, but uncertain at this time.
Windows are all good, just need to replace a few rubber seals.
Walls we are wanting to insult. Forum opinions vary from colored puzzle style mats, eco foam from lowes, floor muffler, reflectrix and ensolite. And from using Green Lepage contact cement to liquid nails.
I LOVE the paper mache concept.....as I really want a fairly smooth paintable surface!! More info on that would be great. And your opinion of the insulation.

We will be keeping the counters and such where they are. I have a few spots that the paneling is peeling which I intend to use a glue bath to reapply the peeling parts both on the back side and then applied over th top. This should stop the peeling and also provide me a paintable surface.....planning on white or eggshell cabinets. The sink and stove will be removed. A deeper sink and microwave will replace. We may install a new countertop.
Flooring, we were thinking just a fiberglass linoleum, but I will check you the link you sent.
They vent in the front will be sealed. We are not replacing the fridge......we will bring the ice chest, and I will use that space as storage.

The rhino liner......is sooooo sold on that!! So I guess that is what we will do.....just glad it is available in light colors.

Lastly, epoxy injection solution??? Is this something I should become more familiar with? lol
Thanks for all the insight!!!
Keep the pictures coming......as will we!!
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Old 04-01-2012, 12:14 PM   #23
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Regarding the epoxy injection ... It's been suggested here for areas of wood rot in between the fiberglass. If the whole floor is rotted, then it's advisable to replace it. However, if there are small spots here and there, some have suggested to drill a small hole into the problem area, and using a syringe full of epoxy resin, inject and once it hardens in place, the spot should be good. Sounds good to me ... Since I have a few small spots I will give it a try as the previous owner replaced nearly all of the floor already. It has been wet a lot though and we have leaks and I am working on sourcing them out, but it's an ongoing process as new ones occur just as you get rid of old ones!

Regarding the paper mâché concept, I will just attach the link to Stephen's site since he is a pro photographer and took some great shots of it. It used to look like this before last weekend ...

http://earthseaimagery.com/playpac.html

You will see the process and how they essentially used craft paper dipped in glue in 8x10 sheets if I remember correctly. They did a great job, it's just that some of the spray foam insulation they used to attach the hard foam insulation to the ceiling has detached, so I am just regluing those spots with gorilla glue and after overnight bracing, those spots are rock solid thus far.

Now it's just a bunch of wires and chunks of insulation hanging down all over the place. I am very happy to report though that I successfully brought the exterior wiring back inside, so when we do coat it with bedliner, it will really look nice and uniform all over.

Ok, I am officially off to glass in the wood blocks that will ultimatley support a wood column i'm installing, to hopefully level our roof. Prayers appreciated.
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Here's a direct link to a post by Stephen where he talks about the modified paper mache and what happens when there is no insulation: Stephen T. Play Pac
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