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Old 03-26-2012, 06:01 AM   #1
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Hello to the house! I recently acquired a Play Pac.
It needs a new floor where the dome window leaked and I will need to replace the vinyl "wall paper". I am also searching the vin #. Like where can I find it?
Any ideas on any of these three situations would ld we be great.

What kind of floor should we put it?
Suggestions for the interior walls after I remove it?
All how can I "SHine-up" the exterior fiberglass and the metal trim which is inside and out?
Also trying to figure out what year it is?????

We are so stoked about getting her up and working!!

Thanks for your help!
Ernie and Heather
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:55 AM   #2
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Oh oh I know where the Vin is!!! Under the driver side light. Chet went out of his way to find it then search for a cell signal to post for me!
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:59 AM   #3
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I am going to post more when I'm not on my cell and can sit at a computer. There is alot of info here to help you. Post some pics and we might be able to help with the date (1971-73 I think). Search all you can on here. Super helpful folks. And the inventor posted a ling thread.
I will be back to sit down and answer some questions. Work on this pics!!!
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Old 03-26-2012, 07:38 AM   #4
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Vin #

Wow thanks for the speedy reply!! Drivers side light? Im not finding a vin. As soon as I figure out how, I will post pics on our little work in progress!
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Old 03-26-2012, 07:51 AM   #5
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I hope I attached the pic correctly. The vin is stamped into the fiberglass. Mine starts with "SB"
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:25 AM   #6
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Thank you, so mine starts with SA? with 5 additional numbers. Is that the whole thing?
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:34 AM   #7
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Mine has 6 numbers after the letters. If it was stamped in the fiberglass, with no other writing, in that spot, I'd bet that is it. And believe me, I spent weeks looking for mine! Do you have any other paperwork with it? I got my registration card and it is on that. Maybe you can verify with the paperwork? I had NO paperwork, it was a process, and DMV wasn't very helpful.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:14 AM   #8
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I have no paper work!! And the vin number is not stamped in the fiberglass, just a very old sticker! Im in PA my DMV is going to be a nightmare with just a bill of sale. Someone actually just wanted to get rid of this PLAYPAC and gave it to us.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:19 AM   #9
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Can you post a pic of the sticker also when you get around to pics? Take a bunch of pics now before doing any work. That's what I did and I am glad I had them to refer to. Did the people who gave it to you have it registered? I know the NY laws are probably different, but I tried a few ways to register mine, maybe I can save you some time and (2 months it took me) effort by sharing what I went through.
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:18 PM   #10
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Tried to take a pic of vin but its too dark and unreadable. I will try again later when the sun is shining on it. No, the people I got it from had no info. It was given to them with no info as well. There is no license plate, no old tags, nothing. Anything you can suggest will be greatly appreciated!

Also I posted pics on my registry!
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:29 PM   #11
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How long did they have it, do you know? First I would call DMV and see what they recommend. Make sure to call one not close to you. If they know that there is no paperwork, some people like to be a pain and make your life difficult. So call one you won't deal with in person until you have all your ducks in a row. In NY the first thing I had to have done was get it weighed. Luckily the weigh station employees were nice and asked me what I wanted it to weigh ( my second option was to register it as home made, and it was easier if under a certain weight, but I wanted to try the "right" way first). In NY, once I had the VIN and weight and bill of sale, it was just a matter of applying for a new title then registering it. But like I said, call DMV and tell them all the details. If you don't like their answer call another. Let me know what they say and I will see what advise I can give you from there. Hope it helps!!!
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:31 PM   #12
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Ps I don't need to read the vin#. I just wanted an idea of where it is located
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:45 PM   #13
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It is located right where you said it would be, lol!!! I will do the above suggest and see where I get with the dmv....or maybe Ill let me hubby, the girl liked him way more than she did me!
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Thank you Meghan!!
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:08 PM   #15
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Congratulations! You can save the wall covering by cleaning it well and glueing it back in place. If you don't like the looks then get out the old paintbrush and go for it.

I think it would be really, really hard to replace it all. By the way you Playpac has a layer of insulation encapsulated in the fiberglass.

I recently had my roof repaired as it had a bad sag. The fiberglass near the dome was paper thin and you could poke your finger thru it. If you have a leak at the dome go up there and check to make sure you don't have sagging. My roof wasn't thick enough to hold up the dome very well.

My ceiling ensolite is gone and I'm going to have to replace it with something. I think I can make it look nice though without replacing the whole wall coverings too.

I'm putting down Allure vinyl planks from Home Depot on the floor as I've used them before and they are really easy to install and look great.

I'm having my electrical system upgraded to 30 amp. I see that someone installed a refrigerator where the old icebox was on your Playpac. I believe that's why you have the grill in the front. I'm going to replace my icebox eventually also and I want to install a wetbath in the little closet. Do you have a wetbath?

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Old 03-29-2012, 02:26 PM   #16
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hello everybody ... welcome aboard Heather and Ernie! its Paul here, and after an extended absence/getting through some tough times, i am finally feeling motivated to get back to our little Play Pac in progress.

i'll try to answer first your questions based on my experiences - not sure if i will be of help but here goes: we had a lot of leaking too and the Previous Owner had to cut out the rotted floor and replace - he did a great job and its pretty solid, but i did notice as i have begun my reno, that there was still a bit of rot under what would be the spice cabinet at the left of the front door and heading toward the passenger side wheel well. not too happy about that but since its not a huge piece, i will be using the epoxy injection solution and simply just glass it all up with resin and hardener. if i sound like i know what i am talking about, this is untrue. never done more than try to fix a surfboard and had limited success at that! but i have all the materials i need to get into a lot of trouble renovating our Play Pac and will certainly be reporting on my progress. our other problem leads into your wall covering issue. ours were later covered with a hard foam insulation. the P.O. told me, they would wake up with wet walls like in a tent (its brilliant as we keep pretty warm and dry), they then essentially a paper mache'ed to cover the insulation, then painted it. it looks great to this day with the exception that this insulation makes getting to the fiberglass, electrical, or window frames extremely difficult. the other thing is it has come unglued on the ceiling and is essentially being held by the paper mache. i am re-gluing it because my reno requires that i cut through some of the insulation to gain access to the ceiling. as for your cabinets - if they are well situated you may wish to work around them. if they too are rotted, then you might wish to consider removing and even replacing (easy advice to give eh?).

we have really bad roof sag on the door/passenger's side so i am installing a wood column which will be attached to fiberglassed-in, wood plates on the floor and one directly above in the ceiling. i have already glued the floor and ceiling plates in and will be glassing them as soon the cold and rainy weather subsides. the column will also be attached midway down to the counter where our 2 burner stove is (its where your spice cabinet by the door would be). what this does is solve a number of problems - we have really bad roof sag, our door does not close properly as a result and its likely whats causing at least some of the leaking we find after it rains. the other side is perfect since there is support from the bathroom and cabinet construction, plus there is no hole cut into the side (the door) ... with this column supporting the opposite side - we hope to solve some these issues.

regarding flooring ... i bought some commercial grade hard rubber stuff you find in gyms and showrooms, etc. its pretty tough stuff - i got the idea when i saw it inside a photo of the Space Station and also in an airstream mini camper called the Bivouac. its pretty cool looking and i can take it out after a long trip and hose it down, let it dry, and then toss it right back in. not cheap but it will last longer than a wood or linoleum floor since i dive and my wife surfs ... but if you want to do it quick and fairly cheap, you can get the cheaper laminate wood stuff they sell at Home Depot or Costco - a box or two will likely be all you need.

here's the flooring - they will send you samples too:
Coin Grip Rubber Flooring - A Raised Stud Rubber Runner

regarding the exterior, there is another thread here and Donna has just posted one of my favorite links ever - the couple who did their ENTIRE egg in truck bed liner (Brad and Jenny or something like that). its exactly what i plan to do ... the stuff is super tough, adds insulation (a little at least), would also i think add some waterproofing, and finally, would really solve my problem of so many different surfaces (the P.O. used rubber roof paint on top but its visible where that meets the gel coat and then there are countless chips and pock marks from rocks). none of it is awful, but to put a few coats of the truck bed liner, it will even out everything and cover up all the little imperfections. i plan to use a cream or tan color so its nothing too crazy or off the mark of the original color. its not too cheap, but i got in touch with Brad about his little red Boler a couple of weeks back, and he said that it is still as good as it was when they painted it back in 2008 - and they take their Boler off road!

As for the other questions - i see the 1971-9173 production years were posted and my Play Pac buddy Meghan has helped you with the VIN ... and does she know about it! poor girl was pretty much tortured by her nasty DMV folks ... glad we could figure that one out. there is also a chance that the VIN is etched into the tongue of your trailer ... just a couple of inches forward from the fiberglass on one or the other steel channels coming out from under the fiberglass. you would likely have to get out some sandpaper - but mine is there right on top.

one other thing - with the vent up front you will have to be careful of water intrusion if you happen to be on the road during rain. i am sure a plastic or fiberglass cover for travel would take care of that, but it is just something to consider. with a once-over from a pressure washer, your Play pac will look amazing. it appears to be structurally in really great shape. inside needs TLC, but i would venture a guess that most do!

i have a running list of everyone i know to have a Play Pac and their photos .. it is actually grown beyond the dozen or so estimated but then there might be sales among those, so i can be too certain where the number is at present. however, i have the Play Pac founder's story (its posted here as well - the search function is very handy!) and a few other things saved if you ever are interested. The photos i use as reference and for ideas since any of the Play Pacs that are undergoing renovation look a bit different that the originals. if there is anything you (or others) would like, let me know and i can zip and send you the files.

its just great to have yet another Play Pac owner aboard! i am at long last, seriously moving forward with my reno and will create a new post soon with photos and lessons learned.

Camilla, i thought you weren't keeping your Play Pac!? its great to hear from you and that you are still working on it. i too am considering a wet bath. you wont believe what i have come up with! i am going to buy some FRP (fiberglass reinforced panel) at Home Depot - they sell it in 4x8 sheets. I will glue those to the bathroom walls after first installing a drain pan that i will simply hook up to my sink gray water line with a 'T' attachment. here is where folks might think i am losing it ... but ... i did a lot of research on hot water heaters and realized that we would only use the wet bath as needed and for a 'Navy' shower, so to keep most of a 10 gal holding tank water heated all the time wasn't that efficient, plus those heaters are not cheap! so i am going to mount a 5 gallon back pack sprayer to a rack and simply heat up a full pot of water on the stove and add another pot of lukewarm for a quick rinse off. the opening on the sprayer pack is very large and would accommodate filling. by mounting it to the wall the hand pump will be pulled a few times and i will modify the hand held sprayer to be shorter like a shower massage. i picked up a lightly used 28 gallon grey water tote on craigslist for a SONG - $30 (they sell for around $250!) so i just set that up right under the tongue outside and figure we will still be able to go a couple of days before dumping it with that much holding capacity. so thats my crazy idea for a wet bath. in THEORY ... stay tuned since i have much else to do first, like finish the construction work, add LED interior lighting all over, stainless coverings for the table and countertops (i already installed a nice new stainless 2 burner stove and stove cover), then i am moving the battery to the tongue. i cant believe that for how small these things are we could literally spend forever tweaking them!

anyway, congratulations again on your Play Pac. we look forward to hearing more and hopefully can help out as fellow Play Pac'ers ... but one very important thing to keep in mind is that the different kinds of eggs are more alike than they arent, so the sage advice offered here might be for a different model, but still totally applicable to your situation.

sorry for the ridiculously long post all!
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^ Paul is the "Chet" I was talking about. I think I did it more than once too. Sorry!!! There is medicine for that, right!?!?
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no worries Meghan ... i've been called a lot worse than that!
and after i realize how long that last post was, if you find that medicine, send some my way!
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Paul. Please take some pics of the wetbath dealie!
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No prob Camilla, but that is wayyyyyy down the road so hang in there. As I said, in theory it is a great solution for a 'kinda' wet bath - I will certainly have to be sitting on the porta potty since, as you know, there isn't a whole bunch of room in the 'bathroom' ... but it will certainly be a 'nice-to-have' after getting done with an all-day hike to Half Dome and being able to rinse the trail dust off before hitting the sack in our beautiful parks which often lack such amenities.
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