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Old 08-26-2007, 11:27 AM   #15
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After a furious camping summer with the new to us Scamp, one of the ideas I'm kicking around is better functionality with the propane stove.
Never used it yet, always use the portable one outside. What I'm thinking is to remove the permanent propane stove and build a sort of containment box that mounts down in the hole and the portable stove sets in the containment box with a cover which goes over that so externally no difference from existing. Then run a hose connection with a shutoff so that it can be hooked to the propane tank and used inside if needed. Otherwise, you just lift it out and take it out to the table and use it outdoors with a bottle. Don't recall seeing a mod out here like this, anyone done one similar?

I dont see your logic. Why not leave the existing stove and build a cover for it so you can use the counter.When you need a stove for the inside ,remove the cover. Assuming of course the inside stove works.
Coleman stoves have the knobs on the front of the stove so if you drop it into an enclosure the knobs are rendered useless.
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:55 AM   #16
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Logic is easy. Eliminates carrying two stoves one of which is never used(permanent). The stove that is used(portable) can then sit in the stove position for travel thus not taking up space in the tug loose on the floor or bed in the trailer. We don't have a huge tug like some folks here, we have a Jeep Liberty with two kids in the backseat so for us travel storage is at a premium and needs to be efficient.

The knobs are a non-issue and can be accommodated easily in the build.
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:57 AM   #17
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What I'm thinking is to remove the permanent propane stove and build a sort of containment box that mounts down in the hole and the portable stove sets in the containment box with a cover which goes over that so externally no difference from existing.
How about if you build something to enclose the permanent stove so it could be used outside, rather than using the portable stove inside?
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How about if you build something to enclose the permanent stove so it could be used outside, rather than using the portable stove inside?
Sort of a "reverse engineering" thing. I'll take a look at that. Might be more work though in the long run and I'd end up with a 25 year old stove vs a new one.
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Old 08-26-2007, 12:33 PM   #19
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Yes, this is a common setup for tent trailers, and makes sense to me (one less thing to carry). Those inside/outside stoves are based on a design which is normally built in, not a portable unit.
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How about if you build something to enclose the permanent stove so it could be used outside, rather than using the portable stove inside?
I agree, Frederick... that's the normal approach.

On issue which no one has mentioned is height. The inside/outside tent trailer systems normally put the stove on a base which sits on an extra-low counter in the trailer, which puts the burner tops at about normal counter height. Blanking off a built-in stove mounting location (or even worse, building up a cover over a built-in) places the stove quite high, which can be an issue for clearance to the upper cabinets.

Some custom counter work could also mean opening up the front for control knob access.

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Might be more work though in the long run and I'd end up with a 25 year old stove vs a new one.
Good point, but by the time this is done well in any design it will be enough work that it might be worth splurging on a new stove anyway. How about a brand new built-in type stove already in the inside/outside housing, purchased as a tent trailer replacement part?
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:20 PM   #20
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I know this topic has petered out, but in case anyone is still considering it, or just to provide some closure...

I contacted Century customer service, who said that it was not possible to supply their camp stoves (even the ones with a hose instead of a pipe) from either a direct propane tank supply, or a low-pressure RV supply.

I eventually got around to looking at my own Coleman two-burner camp stove, and realized the problem. The device which screws onto cylinder at the end of the supply pipe (equivalent to the hose in some Century models) is a regulator with a 15 PSI output. The final reduction from this intermediate pressure down to very low pressure is done by the individual burner controls. My Coleman regulator is fixed at 15 PSI; I suppose some others might be adjustable to tune the range of operation.

In an RV, the regulator produces only 11 inches of water column, which is less than one PSI; every RV appliance is designed to accept that pressure. The regulator is usually (and is in my Boler) a two-stage device.

Essentially, the thing on the end of the camp stove tube (or hose) is a first-stage regulator, producing a constant but still substantial pressure from whatever the propane in the tank happens to be, just like the first stage of the RV regulator. The individual burner controls take the place of the RV's second regulator stage.

If you supply the camp stove controls direct from the propane tank (high pressure), they will not be steady (because there is no regulator) and may allow a dangerously high flow (because the pressure will likely be more than 15 PSI). If you supply them from the trailer's 11"WC low-pressure line, they won't have enough pressure to work.

My barbecue configuration looks similar to a camp stove setup, with the external regulator; however, while the camp stove has intermediate pressure coming down the hose from the regulator, the barbecue has low pressure coming down the hose from its regulator. That's why the barbecue is compatible with an RV supply, and the camp stove is not.

In the end, I think an in/out stove needs the controls of an indoor stove (running on 11"WC of propane) to be functional.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:33 PM   #21
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Brian,

This is really good information... thanks for digging that up. So it is either an inside stove built to also go outside or a Coleman camp stove with the adaptor they sell to direct connect to a external propane tank. That would mean of course the necessity of running that line between the tank and the kitchen which would probably be undesirable.

Of course the third option would be to forget it, which I've done for the time being....

If we never light the inside stove over the winter season, however, I may go back to figuring this mod out. If I could find one of those pop-up camper portable stoves that was designed to be used inside or outside then I could rig that up, but I can't seem to locate those.

Again, appreciate ur diligence on this.....
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:14 AM   #22
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Only thing I can find so far on that is:

Charcoal and propane will take the oxygen out of your air, and this can be fatal quickly if you use them indoors. The only way you should ever even consider using these indoors is if there is a blizzard outside or you can't get outdoors at all for some reason. And then, you would have to be sure to open every door and window so that the air supply is constantly renewed. Even then use it only as long as necessary for cooking and keep the windows and doors open long afterward to be sure that there is enough oxygen indoors.

But we already have a propane stove in the trailers so
The problem with charcoal isn't the Oxygen it consumes, but the lethal levels of carbon monoxide it produces. Dead individuals and families seem to show up in alarming numbers after ice storms and cold snaps that knock the power out because people use charcoal grills and pile into one room and close the doors and windows to reduce heat loss . . .

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