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Old 04-30-2015, 07:27 PM   #29
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Thanks for sharing that tip Steve, it does sound easier than my approach. Just happen to have the correct tool as well!!

As they say you learn something new here every day!



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An easier way to trim aluminium rivets is to tap out the pin. turn the pin around and slip it partially in just so the rod comes out the other side. Now use a wire stripper with stripper holes and choose the stripper hole closest to the rod size. Use the stripper to cut the rivet shaft without cutting the rivet pin. You will get a nice clean cut with little distortion and you don't cut the pin. Now pull the shaft and turn it around and put it back inside the rivet the right way and rivet away with the right length rivet.

below wire stripper I use which makes this job easy and quick.

Klein Tools Kurve Wire Stripper/Cutter-11055 - The Home Depot
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:49 PM   #30
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No Rivets on the windows of models of the 90's. Simple clean up the outside area of the window frame and trailer put some new butyl tape on the underside of the outside part of the window frame, stick it back onto the trailer and screw it all back into place from the inside just as you did to remove it. Then trim away any of the excess butyl tape that seeped out from under the frame. All done. Simple.
OR, some of the late 1980s models (windows are radius). None of the windows of my 1988 Scamp are riveted. They all uses screws (inside for the clamp ring), or in the case of the door window... screws from the outside through the door to the clamp ring.

Interesting the different hardware used over the years to accomplish the same thing... a leak-proof window.
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Old 04-30-2015, 08:37 PM   #31
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Progress at last! Well, sorta...

The rivets I ordered arrived this evening, so tomorrow I will start the progress of drilling off the heads of the existing rivets, punching out the old rivet stems, and hoping I can find the stem stubs later, cleaning off the old butyl tape, then adding new butyl tape, re-install the windows, and hope that the air-powered rivet gun works the way it should!

I haven't even started...but, already I hate the guy or gal that invented revets...and that the Scamp Mfg. Co. ever learned about them, and used them!

My dear, long suffering wife, told me to quit whining, and either get to work on the trailer or sell it, as she was tired of my complaining!

WELL!

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Old 04-30-2015, 08:46 PM   #32
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Sweat equity Bill! Your wife will love it when you're done. It's your sweat, her happy dance
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Old 04-30-2015, 09:21 PM   #33
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Sweat equity Bill! Your wife will love it when you're done. It's your sweat, her happy dance
Ha! Donna D, for my future happness, i sure hope she likes the finished project!

As my dear old Grandmother told me: "Son, a happy wife makes you a happy home!".

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Old 05-01-2015, 06:22 PM   #34
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I started the replacement and re-sealing of my windows today.

To say it was an interesting day would be a understatement. But, I'll provide details and photos in the Modification Forum when I'm finished.

However, I do want to correct a statement I made in an early post.

I stated that the thickness of my 1978 Scamp 13 shell fiberglass was 1/4-inch at the windows.

THAT IS NOT TRUE!

THE THICKNESS OF THE FIBERGLASS AT THE WINDOW OPENING IS ONLY !/8-INCH!

I have owned and worked on several fiberglass boats, and never have I seen such thin, and non-supported, fiberglass at a high stress area such as a window opening!

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I started the replacement and re-sealing of my windows today.

THE THICKNESS OF THE FIBERGLASS AT THE WINDOW OPENING IS ONLY !/8-INCH!

I have owned and worked on several fiberglass boats, and never have I seen such thin, and non-supported, fiberglass at a high stress area such as a window opening!

Bill

On the plus side Bill.....is isn't below the water line
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On the plus side Bill.....is isn't below the water line
Ha! Dave, you are right!

I've got to quit being so judgmental about the little Scamp! I knew it was a light weight trailer, that needed a LOT of work, when I bought it.

I guess I want it to turn into a Silk Purse while it's still in it's Pig's Ear stage!

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Old 05-04-2015, 10:22 AM   #37
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Ha! Dave, you are right!

I've got to quit being so judgmental about the little Scamp! I knew it was a light weight trailer, that needed a LOT of work, when I bought it.

I guess I want it to turn into a Silk Purse while it's still in it's Pig's Ear stage!

Bill
A mans dreams should exceed his grasp.... if nothing else it keeps one motivated. And gives you (us) something to complain about that DW know she does not have to really care about.

Or as Mark Twain said "few fleas are good for a dog, keeps him from brooding on being a dog". could be originally by Edward Noyes Westcott but certainly applies to project trailers. Who has the time to worry about getting grey hair? I have rivets to trim!
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Because i made a BIG mistake about the thickness of my 1978 Scamp's shell thickness at the side windows, the rivets I ordered were/are too long to be used. i had no desire to trim 52 rivets!

I also didn't wish to wait for another week to receive new rivets.

So I went to Plan B...screws with a wood frame inside the shell. Very simple, and I believe...er...I hope it will be leak proof!

One window is re-installed, and I'm starting on the second window.

My guess is that Plan B is taking three times the time to re-install a window than if a person used rivets...if a person uses a air-powered rivet gun.

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Ha! Dave, you are right!

I've got to quit being so judgmental about the little Scamp! I knew it was a light weight trailer, that needed a LOT of work, when I bought it.

I guess I want it to turn into a Silk Purse while it's still in it's Pig's Ear stage!

Bill
After 37 years your little Scamp has survived the elements with relatively little care. Designed with just enough in mind and it still survives, as do thousands of others in its class. Rates right up there with my Boston Whalers of the same time frame. Stick 3 months of work in her and let her run another 37 years can't be all that bad. My tents don't last that long in the elements nor did my Pop-up trailer. Not perfect but definitely good enough.

Think how many would be around if everyone stored them inside when not in use and gave them proper year round maintenance.

Weather the storm and stop trying to reinvent the trailer your job would be much easier, be done sooner and this resurrection will just be a long lost memory replaced with new adventures. Best wishes.
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After 37 years your little Scamp has survived the elements with relatively little care. Designed with just enough in mind and it still survives, as do thousands of others in its class. Rates right up there with my Boston Whalers of the same time frame. Stick 3 months of work in her and let her run another 37 years can't be all that bad. My tents don't last that long in the elements nor did my Pop-up trailer. Not perfect but definitely good enough.

Think how many would be around if everyone stored them inside when not in use and gave them proper year round maintenance.

Weather the storm and stop trying to reinvent the trailer your job would be much easier, be done sooner and this resurrection will just be a long lost memory replaced with new adventures. Best wishes.

Well, dang, Stevebaz, I reread and reread your message...seeking to find some comment that I could take issue with...without any success!

Either I'm getting old, or I happen to agree with you.

However, if you knew me better, you would know that a more positive state of mind wouldn't/couldn't speedup my work habits!

Yet, no doubt my dear wife would most likely be happier if I would quit griping

Best wishes,

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Jim, I'd be the last person qualified to give advice on rivets!

Due to my endless griping, I fear that many of the knowledgeable members no longer read the messages on this thread.

If you really want answers to your questions, I'd suggest that you start a new thread on the subject of RIVETS.

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Thanks

Bill:

Thanks, I think that is a good suggestion! Seems to be a lot of rivet discussion ongoing recently.....must be spring!!!

Thanks, safe travels.
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