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Old 07-04-2014, 12:45 PM   #1
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Rivets on Jalousie windows

Hi Everyone!

My two jalousie windows have small leaks so I am going to pull them out, and put new butyl tape on them and reinstall as per that great video by Kevin Johnston on Youtube (thanks Kevin!).

Question is this:
On that video the window had #14 stainless screws installed, whereas mine has rivets. Once I drill the rivets out, can I replace with #14 stainless screws or should I use rivets again? Seems to me the screws would hold better to the inside of the window in the wood strips no?

Would love some thoughts on this before I pull 'em out

My two small windows are riveted as well.

Thanks!!
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Old 07-04-2014, 01:30 PM   #2
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Do you have a wood frame inside the fibreglass? I am not familiar with Boler trailers, but in a Trillium, the screws go through the window, and fibreglass, into a wood frame.
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Most Bolers do not have wood frames, especially if the windows were fastened with rivets.

One consideration is that any dissimilar metals touching will cause corrosion. Using stainless steel on the aluminum frame will corrode. For rivets use aluminum rivets, if you are able to screw them in you can get aluminum screws (that is what I used on my project).

Acaution on Kevins videos, in rebuilding his windows he drills out the rivets on the jalousie side opening mechanism, there is no need to drill these out and it is almost impossible to replace the rivet with one that works.
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Old 07-04-2014, 09:26 PM   #4
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Do you have a wood frame inside the fibreglass? I am not familiar with Boler trailers, but in a Trillium, the screws go through the window, and fibreglass, into a wood frame.
Hi David,

Good question.. I'm not sure. On the youtube video there was a wood frame on the inside behind the aluminum but likely I don't know until I take it apart.

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Most Bolers do not have wood frames, especially if the windows were fastened with rivets.

One consideration is that any dissimilar metals touching will cause corrosion. Using stainless steel on the aluminum frame will corrode. For rivets use aluminum rivets, if you are able to screw them in you can get aluminum screws (that is what I used on my project).

Acaution on Kevins videos, in rebuilding his windows he drills out the rivets on the jalousie side opening mechanism, there is no need to drill these out and it is almost impossible to replace the rivet with one that works.


Yes, I have aluminum rivets so likely will go with that. Good to note about the video as well - thank you!

Will watch the video you sent along.

As a side note - part of my project in addition to re-sealing windows to the FG is I will be
painting the upper part of the egg. I noticed the "Boler" decal is riveted on. Any idea what size rivets to use when I put it back on so as not to poke through the ensolite on the inside?

I'm new to the world of riveting so am taking baby steps here.

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Cool Dissimilar metals

Some metals are more active than others. Our sailboat had aluminum spars and stainless steel hardware. Aluminum is not strong enough on small parts like screws and Alum/SS is a relatively compatible combination. Actually, there are alloys of aluminum which are highly reactive with each other.

Hmm. From this table it seems that plain steel and aluminum are most compatible:

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...t.do?docId=267
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:45 PM   #7
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Does anyone know the size of the rivets on the jalousie windows? Having a hard time finding the answer on this one.. Need to know for reinstalling them

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As a side note - part of my project in addition to re-sealing windows to the FG is I will be painting the upper part of the egg. I noticed the "Boler" decal is riveted on. Any idea what size rivets to use when I put it back on so as not to poke through the ensolite on the inside?

I'm new to the world of riveting so am taking baby steps here.

Richard
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The rivets for the Boler emblem are 1/8" diameter and have a 1/4" grip range.
We don't get the Escape 19 until November ... a long wait.
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Fantastic thank you!

Do you know the size also for the jalousie windows?



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Fantastic thank you!

Do you know the size also for the jalousie windows?



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Not exactly, I added wooded frames to the inside and used aluminum screws.
I would guess they would be either 1/8" or 3/16" diameter with about a 3/8" to 1/2" grip range. When you drill the first one out you will find a small square metal backing plate, use this to determine the rivet diameter.
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Okay interesting. I'll drill out the first and see what I find. In my mind the grip range is always a concern since (as with the emblem) I don't want to poke through the ensolite.

Do you know the size for the small windows as well as the belly band?

Interesting you added the wood frame and aluminum screws...did that work well? Did you use a #14 in size?


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Hi Richard

Since I have both a Boler and a Casita I have a large selection of rivets. I just find the correct rivet to use out of my selection, if I don't have the right size I add another package to my collection.

I think the belly band is also 1/8" diameter an 3/8" grip range.
I added wood frames around the windows strictly for cosmetic reasons, I have customized my Boler considerably and wanted to add some detail around the windows. I used #8x3/4" screws to secure the windows to the wooden frames.
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Do you know the size for the ...
Richard, you might find it easier to keep your eye out for a rivet kit. Sometimes the holes get oversized through wear and tear and you have to go I size up.
I picked up a kit from Brofasco that 12-14 different sizes in it, both diameter and length. If you want an idea of what a trailer typically uses have a look at the Scamp site. They sell a package of replacement rivets for the whole trailer.
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Old 07-06-2014, 09:42 PM   #14
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Upon closer examination I see (from the inside) that the backs of all the rivets have what appear to be washers on the back them (see pic). Is this a different type of rivet or are they simply washers for added structural support? If so, can they be re-used or do I need new washers when replacing rivets?

I'm guessing this is a two-person job with one on outside riveting and one on the inside holding washer?

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