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Old 01-15-2018, 03:27 PM   #1
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Hi, I am a new owner of a 13 ft Scamp And I am going to be towing with a 2017 Subaru Forster. My question is, if I want to due Colorado and hills should I install Electric Brakes?
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Old 01-15-2018, 04:19 PM   #2
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Hi, I am a new owner of a 13 ft Scamp And I am going to be towing with a 2017 Subaru Forster. My question is, if I want to due Colorado and hills should I install Electric Brakes?
How much does your trailer weigh? I like trailer brakes regardless of the trailer weight, but that would be a vital piece of info.
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Old 01-15-2018, 04:32 PM   #3
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Hi, I am a new owner of a 13 ft Scamp And I am going to be towing with a 2017 Subaru Forster. My question is, if I want to due Colorado and hills should I install Electric Brakes?
Yes, you should. I tow a 13' with a heavier vehicle with higher tow capacity than your Forester and would not want to do so without the brakes.

Have fun in CO with your new Scamp!
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Old 01-15-2018, 04:39 PM   #4
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I towed my boat with a Subaru Loyale ( many years ago ). Almost didn't stop at the bottom of a long hill leading to a major highway. Never going to put my family in that situation again.
That's aside from the extra, very expensive brake jobs the Subaru needed because I was towing a trailer without brakes.
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Old 01-15-2018, 04:50 PM   #5
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Hi, I am a new owner of a 13 ft Scamp And I am going to be towing with a 2017 Subaru Forster. My question is, if I want to due Colorado and hills should I install Electric Brakes?
They're cheap, they add value, and they save wear on your TV brakes.
Plus they help you stop more effectively in all conditions especially wet.
Even if your 13 is on the lighter end it will prove worth the investment.
Its a rare mod which will return more of its cost in use or resale!

OH! And another thing! When you switch to an RV plug you can easily add battery charge and hook up your back-up lights!
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Old 01-15-2018, 05:41 PM   #6
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any trailer over 1500 lbs gross needs brakes in many states. trailer over 3000 lbs gross needs brakes in ALL states, and those brakes MUST have a safety cable emergency activation, this typically requires they be electric brakes, which means you need a brake controller in your tow vehcle and a 7-blade RV style connector.
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:53 PM   #7
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Haven't looked at the 2017 but check your manual as earlier models all suggested 1000 lb limit if towing on a long uphill slope in hot weather.
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Old 01-15-2018, 07:08 PM   #8
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Yes, yes, yes. Get trailer brakes.

Look behind the wheel and see if there's a square plate with a hole at each corner. If you have this backer plate, adding brakes is pretty straightforward for any mechanic. If there is no backer plate, though, you must replace the axle with one that has the plates. This could be a $600-$700 job. But if your Scamp is more than 20 years old, it could benefit from a new axle anyway; the torsion axle's rubber becomes stiff with age (don't we all?) and ceases supporting and rebounding properly.
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Old 01-15-2018, 07:44 PM   #9
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any trailer over 1500 lbs gross needs brakes in many states. trailer over 3000 lbs gross needs brakes in ALL states, and those brakes MUST have a safety cable emergency activation, this typically requires they be electric brakes, which means you need a brake controller in your tow vehcle and a 7-blade RV style connector.
The information below is essentially accurate and intended to be informative, with no expectation of being perfect or comprehensive in detail or nuance.

Notice there are 4 states below a 2000# brake requirement and only 3 more below 3000# which require brakes.. There are 10 states which have requirements which start at more than 3000# or no weight specific requirement at all.

There are at least a dozen states which do not require a Breakaway Switch at all, or do so above the entry level brake requirement, (adding that requirement at a higher weight).
Example Illinois ...brakes required at 3000# , but breakaway switch not required until 5000#.

Of course no state denies your right to add brakes or breakaway switches on trailers below the weight requirements.
For instance, my trailer is registered in Illinois and weighs less than 2000#.
It has no brake requirement, however...
I have opted to have brakes, but no breakaway switch.


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Old 01-15-2018, 08:18 PM   #10
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I added electric brakes to an old pop-up camper by welding on the square plates that the brake backing plates bolt to. Can this not be done on a torsion axle. The pop-up had a leaf spring suspension.
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:34 PM   #11
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Interesting. That was a useful chart Floyd. Have you seen one that shows which states require the safety break-away switches? I wouldn't travel without brakes, but wonder how useful the break-away switches are? As far as I know; Scamp doesn't even offer them as an option. It would seem if many states required them; they would come standard when you ordered brakes?

To the OP- Another advantage of having trailer brakes is being able to recover from high speed wobbles due to swaying. You can apply the brakes at the controller on or below the dash. It will usually bring the trailer back under control.

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I added electric brakes to an old pop-up camper by welding on the square plates that the brake backing plates bolt to. Can this not be done on a torsion axle. The pop-up had a leaf spring suspension.
The heat from the welding over the rubber strands within the tube would be ruined.
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Old 01-15-2018, 11:50 PM   #13
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Hi, I am a new owner of a 13 ft Scamp And I am going to be towing with a 2017 Subaru Forster. My question is, if I want to due Colorado and hills should I install Electric Brakes?
Yes, get them, but do not burn them up on those long downhills in the mountains of Colorado. It is mountains here, not hills. Downshift and take it easy. On those long descents from the mountains to the plains I always catch a whiff of the burning phenolic - from those overheated brake pads or linings. Definitely not good for them. The big signs here say: Trucks you are not down yet; stay in low gear; miles of steep grades and curves ahead. But I see is as a reminder for all vehicles.

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The heat from the welding over the rubber strands within the tube would be ruined.
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I would think a decent welder exercising reasonable care could do this without ruining the rubber torsion inserts.
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The heat from the welding over the rubber strands within the tube would be ruined.
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The flange doesn't mount near the the rubber, it is at the axle spindle. By welding a little at a time and using compressed air or water to keep the heat from traveling up to the rubber, I see no problem welding on a flange.
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