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Old 01-17-2015, 09:25 PM   #15
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Had a set of Airlift 1000 's in my 2011 Ram 1500 . Installed a set in my 2014 Ram 1500 yesterday . They work well to level when towing but are not the answer to an undersized TV . I have a 17 ft Casita with about 425 Lbs of tongue weight and the bags bring everything into line plus help dampen the bounce on rough roads
Cost for the Airlift 1000's bags plus labor to install was about $125 Total
La Crosse, Wisconsin here....am considering the Airlift 1000's also in my Dodge Ram 1500 to raise the truck bed an inch or so when towing Scamp 5th wheel. I am curious about where you are, and who installed the Airlift 1000's for you. That is a great price. Could you respond on here or reply to lacrosseipad@gmail.com.

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Old 01-18-2015, 11:15 AM   #16
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- A quick, fast, cheap, and easy-install solution for some towing applications, especially for those pulling a 16' (or smaller) Casita.There are many, many models and manufacturers of these air bags, for about all applications, all designed to keep your rear end up! The reason: they can keep as much as 1,000 pounds of your rear up!!

So, for those towing the lighter weight 16 foot Casita, consider suspension air bags for your tow vehicle. Once installed it is ever so simple to fill them with just a short blast or two of compressed air to adjust your camper tongue to a near level trailer position. This is a simple (and cheap) solution for those towing with smaller vehicles, when tongue weight begins to sag the rear of their tow vehicle...


I wish I had known about them before my massive-mile trip this past summer from Florida up to the ALCAN, through much of northern Canada & Alaska, and around much of the north country on those frost-heaved & deep-dimpled, pock-marked roads. My Jeep has coiled spring suspension in the rear and when I returned home the constant bouncing had about flattened them. I bounced so much that at times I was airborne. In fact, the batwing antenna had slapped down upon the roof so many times from the ups and downs that it actually slapped the end of it completely off! As I neared the end of the four month trip the Casita tongue had begun sinking lower & lower to the ground upon the hitch. I had to begin twisting the chains, just to keep them from dragging the ground. Still, there never was any indication of sway. I was using just a single sway bar. But it was not a pretty sight when I pulled into my driveway back home in Florida, ~13,500 miles later. It just looked bad, like a deep "V" forming between the Jeep and Casita! Even unhooked, the nose of the Jeep kept pointing slightly upward, because of the weaker, flatter coliled rear springs, rather than pointing slightly downward.


All was repaired with a simple fix - with new coiled rear springs and new air bags nesting inside them, installed for $350 CASH! The estimated price was for $450 but Cash Talked for a sizable discount! Side note: Always offer it AFTER you get your first estimate. I could have saved half of that with air bags installed BEFORE the trip!!..


I don't use a WDH and have never needed one with the 16' Casita. It's towing weight is only about 2500-2800 pounds, with just about ~300 or less pounds on the tongue. There might even be some situations where these cheaper, easier to use, air bags would suffice for some towing applications rather than using the harder to use WDH. But, that would be up to you to decide.


I don't have the heavier 17 footer model so I can't opine how air bags would work with them, nor would I hazard a guess. But in my application, as well as for others with smaller trailers, I see them about as handy as sliced bread! I wish I had known about them years ago. My kayak would have ridden better on the vehicle's roof and I could have saved the cost for the new rear coiled springs on the Jeep. And, my Alaska trip would have been so much easier! Its so much better now towing with those air bags in place, even with just ten pounds of air in them. Now the two together even look better.
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Hi, Tim from BC Canada. I too have a Jeep Wrangler as my tow vehicle and last year we bought a '74 Trillium, which makes the jeep squat about 2 inches in the rear. I have purchased a set of Firestone Coil-Rite air bags, but have yet to install them due to the weather - but soon.


I'm curious as to the positioning of your air bags as my install instructions say mount the valve of the air bags to the bottom, through the hole in the plate at the bottom of the coil spring, which is very close to the axle. The air fitting that screws onto the bag is almost an inch and a half in length.


I'm concerned about the air line and stem from the bag getting squished with the constant up and down movement of the axle.


Any input would be appreciated.
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Old 01-18-2015, 11:52 AM   #17
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A 2" squat is hardly anything. I wouldn't bother with air bags for that, personally. Sorry I can't speak specifically to your question about positioning, but I think you are right to be concerned about longevity when you have such a large amount of wheel travel as on the Wrangler.
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Hi, Tim from BC Canada. I too have a Jeep Wrangler as my tow vehicle and last year we bought a '74 Trillium, which makes the jeep squat about 2 inches in the rear. I have purchased a set of Firestone Coil-Rite air bags, but have yet to install them due to the weather - but soon.


I'm curious as to the positioning of your air bags as my install instructions say mount the valve of the air bags to the bottom, through the hole in the plate at the bottom of the coil spring, which is very close to the axle. The air fitting that screws onto the bag is almost an inch and a half in length.


I'm concerned about the air line and stem from the bag getting squished with the constant up and down movement of the axle.


Any input would be appreciated.
The airlift 1000's mount with the bag' s brass air fitting positioned at the top . There is a hard fiber / plastic donut that sits on top of the airbag and protects the brass air fitting . The air tubing goes through a hole in the top of the coil spring mounting bracket /plate and is routed along the frame to the rear of the vehicle . The air hose is held in place by cold weather rated tyraps . The air line must be routed away from pinch points and exhaust piping . The install is easy and can be accomplished in about an hour with a few readily available hand tools .
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Old 01-18-2015, 04:43 PM   #19
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Airbags have a different function than WDH. Airbags raise the rear end to compensate for added weight. WDH transfers trailer tongue weight from the rear to the front axle, to help regain control.

When I pulled our Casita with a Pathfinder, airbags made the vehicle ride level but didn't do much for the handling. Adding WDH and airbags made a huge improvement to handling.
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Good points Steve.
Those that say things like "I don't even know it's there" cause some concern though.
I have seen at least two accidents where a TV pilot pulled back in to soon and the trailer hit the 2 mph slower truck they were passing.
When towing you should never forget what's behind you.
One reason I have a rear camera in my trailer, you can see when to pull in ....
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I agree, with a wide enough field of view, that a rear camera could be helpful. But how far past the vehicle you passing do you have to be before it shows up in your cameras field of view?


And there is always the driver that "Forgets he is towing" and doesn't even look at the monitor.... Duh!!!
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La Crosse, Wisconsin here....am considering the Airlift 1000's also in my Dodge Ram 1500 to raise the truck bed an inch or so when towing Scamp 5th wheel. I am curious about where you are, and who installed the Airlift 1000's for you. That is a great price. Could you respond on here or reply to lacrosseipad@gmail.com.

Thank You,
Larry
I have Air Lift 1000 on my Tacoma PU.
I had an 05 Tacoma standard tran. sold it and bought 08 Tacoma auto tran. so they're now 10 years old and I have never had a problem.
I don't know about the Dodge but I did the installation myself on my Tacoma.
Most of my trips I tow my trailer and have a 680 pound ATV in the bed of my truck.
They have never let me down.
When empty and not towing with 5 pounds of air in them my PU rides
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