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Old 12-19-2015, 08:39 AM   #1
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T.V. , Low Voltage Ele. system

Has anyone got LED's to work with the Low Voltage Ele. system?

With this Low Voltage Ele. system you can not add the Extra tale lights.

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Old 12-19-2015, 10:52 AM   #2
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Direct replacement LED bulbs, that work on 12 volts, are readily available.
Tail lights are powered by the tow vehicles electrical system, not the trailer's.


At last count we have about 80 LED lights in our Hunter. All on 12 VDC. What are you trying to accomplish?
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Old 12-19-2015, 10:59 AM   #3
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Direct replacement LED bulbs, that work on 12 volts, are readily available.
Tail lights are powered by the tow vehicles electrical system, not the trailer's.


At last count we have about 80 LED lights in our Hunter. All on 12 VDC. What are you trying to accomplish?
You miss the Low voltage
not the same as a reg. 12 volt system.

in the 2015 Ford Transit Connect manual said " do Not tow trailer with LED lights"

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Old 12-19-2015, 11:14 AM   #4
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in the 2015 Ford Transit Connect manual said " do Not tow trailer with LED lights"

You should ask Ford for the reason.
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Old 12-19-2015, 11:21 AM   #5
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I don't know about the Ford, but my VW needs to have the late trailer module to detect the trailer connection with LEDS. Perhaps Ford does not yet have the trailer module that will work with LEDs.
In Europe the detect and trailer stabilization are required.

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Old 12-19-2015, 11:40 AM   #6
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On this site the term "Low Voltage System" is usually used to refer to the trailers 12 volt system. Your question has to do with your TV, which wasn't mentioned, not the Scamp. The year of your Scamp isn't shown. Does it have LED tail lights?


As mentioned, ask Ford, some vehicles require a ballast resistor across LED lights to replicate the expected load, otherwise it will show as a "No Light Error".
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Old 12-19-2015, 03:37 PM   #7
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If this post is concerning connecting a trailer to the car I want to say my ford escape can not have trailer lights connected directly to the car lights. A power module is needed to sense the car lights and it in turn supplies power to the trailer from a separate battery supply on the car.
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WTF? Could you please translate this to a plain English? Or provide an exact quote from Ford manual.
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Old 12-19-2015, 05:18 PM   #9
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Perhaps Ford has the module that ties into the

car's CANBUS system to activate the stabilization system required for the higher tow rating. I would bet that this is a part of the required package.
Since the Escape is basically the European Ford Kuga and stabilization is required there as is the bulb out detector for the trailer.



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Old 12-19-2015, 06:56 PM   #10
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This my explanation using the basics.
A 12 volt fused battery line is run to a black box mounted in the back.
The black box has all the wires that go to the trailer plug for brake, turn, and running lights.
It also has a corresponding set of wires that are connected to the cars brake, turn and running lights.

The black box senses when any of the cars bulbs are on and supplies corresponding battery to the trailer lights from the fused line. Therefore the trailer lights are isolated from the car lights. The new car led lights are very sophisticated and don't like any add ons such as trailer lights.
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Old 12-19-2015, 07:18 PM   #11
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the black box? Ford Transit Connect 2015, T-Connector by CURTŪ. 3-Wire System with Powered Converter, For Models Without Factory Tow Package Location: S3/S4. This provides all you need to connect a trailer to the...

CURTŪ 56218 - T-Connector (3-Wire System with Powered Converter)
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Can I run four tail light (two LED and two reg. tail lights)?
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Old 12-19-2015, 07:41 PM   #12
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Here's my take on the towing package. According to this media blurb from ford:
http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...scape_oct1.pdf

The towing package consists of the hitch, the wiring harness, and sway control, whatever that means. There is no mention of transmission coolers or different final drive ratios.

Now, to dig a little further. I have the Ford Workshop Manual for 2013, so I looked at the wiring diagrams for all the modules. There isn't a sway control module. But what I did find was that the Ford wiring harness that seems expensive at about $65 is actually a module that communicates with the Body Control Module when installed, using the CAN bus of the vehicle.

The wiring harness adapter is operated from the CAN messages from the Body Control module to control the turn signals and running lights. The brakes are triggered directly from the brake line.

I suspect that the Body Control Module knows when the trailer lighting adapter is installed as it communicates via the CAN bus. My theory is that the trailer adapter communicates when the trailer lights are connected (easy to identify), and the Body Control Module can then activate the sway control that's likely built into all the vehicles. It doesn't make any sense to look for trailer sway if there isn't a trailer connected.
Hitch #DJ5Z-19D520-A
Wiring Harness #DT4Z-15A416-A

Trailer Sway Control works with AdvanceTracŪ with RSCŪ (Roll Stability Control™) using a yaw motion sensor to monitor the motions of the truck to detect trailer sway. When sway is detected, the system works to apply selected brakes and/or reduce engine power to help the driver regain control
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Old 12-19-2015, 07:54 PM   #13
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As relates to the 2015 transit:
fron the ford transit forum
Document Used For Installation Of Trailer Hitch Electrics Kit (FK4Z15A416A):
SKFK4J-15A416-AA 2015 Auxiliary Brake Control Installation
Q-227R1 SVE Bulletin 2015 MY Transit Reverse Signal Access
Ford Transit 2015 Body and Equipment Mounting Manual
Issue Of Installation For Vehicle Built Before 1/18/15:
Missing wiring harness and connectors between Trailer Module Jumper and Tow Socket Jumper harness.
Missing Reverse Signal wire.
Detail Of Modified Harness:
The vehicle is missing wiring harness between the Trailer Module Jumper and Tow Socket Jumper. The vehicle also is missing the Reverse Signal wire (See Q-227R1 SVE Bulletin).
There are 6 wires in the connector for the Tow Socket Jumper harness (under the van at the right side rear of vehicle near the rear axle). These 6 wires need to be connected to the Trailer Module Jumper harness.
There are 4 wires in the Trailer Module Jumper harness (under van at the driver seat location). The Trailer Brake Control harness provide 1 wire (Electric Brake Power). The Reverse Signal (from engine compartment) provide 1 wire. These 6 wires need to be connected to the Tow Socket Jumper Harness.
Cut the connectors off the kit jumper harnesses and splice the wires together. See the attached wiring diagram. I used the watertight heat-shrink butt splice connectors for all splice.
When adding the reverse signal wire per Q-277R1 Bulletin you will need the DU2Z-14474-FA Service Kit. The kit has the pin/wire that you will add to the specified open slot in the connector. The connector is in the engine bay just aft of the LH head lamp assy. You only need one pin, but you have to buy it in a package of 5 from Ford. You are welcome to to have my extra pin/wire if you need one.
I will add pictures of the installation when available.
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File Type: pdf TRAILER HITCH Sheet 2 (1).pdf (22.5 KB, 95 views)
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Old 12-20-2015, 08:25 AM   #14
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"Ford Transit 2015 Body and Equipment Mounting Manual
Issue Of Installation For Vehicle Built Before 1/18/15:"


Eugeneflorida's post re: the Curt Powered Converter box, sound like a much simpler idea for starters..... And I suspect that U-Haul and others also have a plug and play box.


Instructions: Plug it in and try it.....


And what about those built after that date???
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