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Old 03-17-2013, 11:16 AM   #1
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Wasp/hornet spray for self defense

While skimming thru a recently revived thread, I noticed several posters suggest the use of insecticide sprays in lieu of pepper spray for self defense against human attackers. Advocates based their preference on the alleged greater range and effectiveness of these sprays as compared to pepper spray.

I had never heard of this practice and did an Internet search for information corroborating these arguments. I found absolutely no expert testimony that confirmed superior effectiveness over pepper spray in stopping an attacker. I also found an avalanche of warnings about the illegality of the use of poisons in self defense and of the possible consequences of criminal prosecution which might be incurred by their use.

All of us traveling alone or in company who contemplate carrying an insecticide bomb as a self defense strategem should perform due diligence in thoroughly investigating these issues. PLEASE do not take this as an occasion to either advocate or discuss other common self defense strategies. I make the above statements only to encourage us all to be fully informed before we place our confidence in at hand expedients for personal defense in case of attack.

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Is the active ingredient in wasp spray more poisonous than lead?
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The toxicity of lead oxides is well-documented.

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Old 03-17-2013, 12:30 PM   #4
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One of the plus factors in wasp spray in articles I've read is the "surprise" factor.
Ladies working at a desk can surprise an assailant with wasp spray on her desk but if pepper spray were setting there, one would recognize it.

You bring up an interesting point. Will do some verifying research.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:32 PM   #5
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WELL! Boom.......right off found this from Oklahoma police.

Oklahoma Personal Defense - Myth of Wasp Spray

"Let me put it this way – you've no doubt seen police officers on the news spraying rioters with pepper spray. How many of you have seen them spraying rioters with cans of wasp spray?"


21651. Poison, attempt to kill by administering.

Any person who, with intent to kill, administers or causes or procures to be administered to another any poison which is actually taken by such other person but by which death is not caused shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the State Penitentiary not less than ten (10) years.

"But worse yet, what really makes me angry, is that some day a woman is going to be attacked and she's going to spray wasp spray on her attacker (because that's what she's believed will work) and it's going to have absolutely no effect. So you see, she probably won't even have the chance to go to federal prison because her attacker will probably kill her...after he rapes and tortures her."

http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/waspspray.asp
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" with intent to kill,"

Key phrase is intent. It is doubtful that someone being attacked would spray someone with pepper spray or wasp spray intending to kill the attacker. That being the case they couldn't be charged with intentionally trying to "poison" someone.
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Nice investigative work, people!

I wasn't planning to stock up on wasp spray for my solo travels, but it also hadn't occurred to me that it might be another reason not to believe everything I read on the internets (shocking!).
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An attempt to stop or interrupt the progress of an assault is not necessarily tantamount to an attempt to kill the assailant, but employing a potentially lethal toxin provides additional probability of successful prosecution in criminal proceedings and judgment for compensation to the assailant in civil suits for damages.

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I will be taking wasp spray for, well, wasps.........

But if someone comes at me and it's handy, I will use it. haha

I do carry pepper spray on my belt.
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An attempt to stop or interrupt the progress of an assault is not necessarily tantamount to an attempt to kill the assailant, but employing a potentially lethal toxin provides additional probability of successful prosecution in criminal proceedings and compensation in civil suits for damages.

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Why not use Coca Cola? Seems to work for everything else.
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That's strange. The Oklahoma article states that Snopes says it is ineffective however that is not the case when you read the Snopes article. In fact Snopes says that it is effective. Hmmmmmmmm!

Now given a choice of pepper spray or bug spray I would much prefer the pepper spray but if I was being attacked and bug spray, hair spray, paint, whatever was at hand I would use it to protect myself. That said I don't think I would keep bug spray around solely for that purpose.
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Well-stated Steve. There a lot of considerations. The first is how to avoid or escape attack. The second how to stop an attacker. The third how to increase the odds of being able to justify one's response afterwards.

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PS: My wife, who has not always been successful in pointing things down range, says that another consideration is making sure you don't blind or poison yourself.
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If attacked, I would use anything at my disposal!!! I had a police officer recommend wasp spray as it sprays further than pepper spray. Police officer also recommended, if you keep a bat in your car for protection, keep a mitt and a ball too-otherwise the bat is a 'planned weapon'. You do what you gotta do for protection.
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