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Old 11-21-2015, 09:58 PM   #1
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Where to run the 7-pin wires?

Done a bit of searching but can't really find anything in this regard. Help!
I've got a 73 Compact II that I am rebuilding. This question is in regard to running the 7-pin wiring for trailer lights.
I have a trailer wire junction box (planning to mount on the tongue) and have added electric brakes to the trailer.

The current options are

1. Run the wires under the trailer attaching to the frame and come off as needed for the various lights (basically marker lights in the front and back and tail lights, brake lights, and/or back-up lights and maybe a third brake light). This option would entail using grommets, clips, and black flex wire conduit to run the wire through the frame.
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2. Bring the wires inside the trailer, run them down the interior of the trailer, and come off as needed for the various lights. The wires for the electric brakes would be run outside.

I would be interested in hearing pros and cons of both options.
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Old 11-22-2015, 12:45 AM   #2
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Most trailer wiring for the tail lights/brakes ect are run inside on TT's. But there is nothing written in stone if you want to run them along the frame. What ever is easiest for you and works will do.
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Old 11-22-2015, 08:01 AM   #3
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Almost all boat trailer brake and turn signal wires are run along the trailer's frame.

In my 1978 13' Scamp the wires are installed along the insides of the trailer. I doubt if I could get my fat body under the trailer to run wires along the frame!

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I would use a molded 7 pin pigtail and mount your junction box just inside the shell. All of your connections (except brakes) are protected from the weather. You usually drop the brake wire through the floor connect to one brake and run a wire over to the other brake.
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Old 11-22-2015, 09:14 AM   #5
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I agree with Eddie, put the junction box inside, under the front dinette seat(s). Then run all of the wires to the needed locations inside the trailer. Getting to the taillights can get a bit tricky, but what I did was cut the existing wires off where I could find them inside, attached a pull-wire to the old wire and pull that one out at the taillight opening, then thread in the new wires. If you have the bathroom it gets to be a real pain in the tush at the back wall on the right side. BTW: I always thread in at least 1 "Spare" wire for future needs/repairs.


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Almost all boat trailer brake and turn signal wires are run along the trailer's frame. Bill
I guess it beats running them through the boat unless, of course, they are real long...
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Old 11-22-2015, 11:50 AM   #7
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Option #2 for sure but with the junction box inside the trailer.
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no obstructions

As you can see, the interior is pretty empty, so it would be pretty easy, but then I'm concerned about trying to get to wires once I rebuild the interior--any hints?
And you can also see the new frame we built (my brother is a master welder,whoo!) and the old frame we are replacing.

On the other hand, like Bill, I don't relish having to shimmy around under the trailer to find that one place where there is something wrong with a wire. Not such a bad problem in the garage where I can jack it up, but out on the road or in a muddy campsite in the rain or snow?
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As you can see, the interior is pretty empty, so it would be pretty easy, but then I'm concerned about trying to get to wires once I rebuild the interior--any hints?
And you can also see the new frame we built (my brother is a master welder,whoo!) and the old frame we are replacing.

On the other hand, like Bill, I don't relish having to shimmy around under the trailer to find that one place where there is something wrong with a wire. Not such a bad problem in the garage where I can jack it up, but out on the road or in a muddy campsite in the rain or snow?
You're in a good spot to decide where you want and need any interior wires for lights and such. As long as your connections are good you shouldn't have any problem later. As far as any wire under the trailer, all I can say is I've never had a problem with any of them in 45 years of trailers other than at the plug in socket on the TV. I do like Bob's comment for an extra wire (or two stubbed out at an easy to access location) for possible later use since you have a blank slate to start with.
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I do like Bob's comment for an extra wire (or two stubbed out at an easy to access location) for possible later use since you have a blank slate to start with.
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BTW: I always thread in at least 1 "Spare" wire for future needs/repairs.
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I'm not sure I understand the extra/spare wire concept as applied to the wires for the 7-pin. The only one I could think of would be the wire for the back-up lights because I'm not sure I will have them on the new lights. (Have to replace the original tail lights because of the strange modification that some po made and the plastic shrouds are pretty torn up and crumbly) but I will run the wire in case I do. Is there something I am missing?

Also, if I understand correctly, I will run the wiring for interior power separately from the 7-pin wiring although I may run them in the same locations. Any suggestions on marking to be able to tell them apart when they are tucked away in the back of a closet/cupboard? That might be an argument for running the 7-pin on the outside .
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I'm not sure I understand the extra/spare wire concept as applied to the wires for the 7-pin. The only one I could think of would be the wire for the back-up lights because I'm not sure I will have them on the new lights. (Have to replace the original tail lights because of the strange modification that some po made and the plastic shrouds are pretty torn up and crumbly) but I will run the wire in case I do. Is there something I am missing?

Also, if I understand correctly, I will run the wiring for interior power separately from the 7-pin wiring although I may run them in the same locations. Any suggestions on marking to be able to tell them apart when they are tucked away in the back of a closet/cupboard? That might be an argument for running the 7-pin on the outside .
Good questions Lora. The extra wire(s) and any interior uses would be from your power center not the 7 pin. Your tail/brake/clearance lights are fed from the 7 pin and are not connected to the power center. They run from the plug through the trailers interior to the bulbs. The brake power comes inside and then should be run through the floor and follow the frame to the brakes. When ever I have added extra wires to anything I have marked both ends with masking tape looped around the ends with 1, 2, 3 ect.
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Wires is wires, and the better protected they are the longer they will survive. The extra wire(s) I suggested is because you will be loosing sight and contact with some of those wires as you rebuild the interior. Wires break and accessories are added that weren't thought of originally. Wire is cheap, trying to thread a new wire behind walls and insulation can be a real time consumer. I completely rewired my Hunter with all of the original cabinets and wall coverings in place, it gets real tight in several; areas, especially inside the original partitions, around the kitchen alcove and at the rear lights.
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Wires is wires, and the better protected they are the longer they will survive. The extra wire(s) I suggested is because you will be loosing sight and contact with some of those wires as you rebuild the interior. Wires break and accessories are added that weren't thought of originally. Wire is cheap, trying to thread a new wire behind walls and insulation can be a real time consumer. I completely rewired my Hunter with all of the original cabinets and wall coverings in place, it gets real tight in several; areas, especially inside the original partitions, around the kitchen alcove and at the rear lights.
But those would be for interior power?
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I am a little lost here , are you not installing a converter ?
If you are then all the interior wiring will start at the converter.
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