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11-09-2018, 10:34 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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1979 Acorn
Yes.. my second egg project.. this time it's an Acorn.. but that's just a made in the US Boler.. Have I got my work cut out this time.. it will be the usual frame off resto.. but this one is missing (yes missing) the floor! At least I don't have to sand pool paint off.. the body is in good condition.. If you check out my blog post for this project you can follow me on an adventure on problem solving.. and the work to make an old trailer new again.
1979 Acorn Trailer Restore Page 1 | Rob's Workshop
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11-09-2018, 11:16 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,519
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robeye
Yes.. my second egg project.. this time it's an Acorn.. but that's just a made in the US Boler.. Have I got my work cut out this time.. it will be the usual frame off resto.. but this one is missing (yes missing) the floor! At least I don't have to sand pool paint off.. the body is in good condition.. If you check out my blog post for this project you can follow me on an adventure on problem solving.. and the work to make an old trailer new again.
1979 Acorn Trailer Restore Page 1 | Rob's Workshop
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Actually it is a made in Backus SCAMP. In late 1978 through 1979 Scamp was forced to change their name during litigation. They won and returned to the Scamp name.
I doubt they could supply the lettering, but it would be cool to preserve the Acorn name if possible or practical. The stripe might be the same though.
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11-09-2018, 01:22 PM
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#3
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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I do plan on keeping the name.. but not so big ..
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11-11-2018, 07:33 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Kelly
Trailer: Trails West
Oregon
Posts: 3,046
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Great, I love build threads and there are not a lot of them to see at this time of year. Looking forward to following your progress.
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11-11-2018, 09:37 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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Thanks.. I now realize that I'd already started a thread for this little trailer.
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...egg-85376.html
But that's ok.. I'll put some highlights in here.. but My detailed story about the restoration will be on my web site. Link in my signature. I have a heated shop and these little trailers fit quite nicely.. there's always so much more to do in the warmer weather.. So winter is my big project time.
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11-11-2018, 12:54 PM
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#6
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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Ok the frame has been cleansed of all the bad metal.. And the axle removed so I can remount it better and give the trailer a much needed lift.
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11-13-2018, 12:17 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Alexander
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1300
New Hampshire
Posts: 1,140
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Rob, based on the picture it looks like you need a new axle. The arms appear to be pointing up when at most they should be perfectly horizontal. Double-check the arm angle to be sure.
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11-13-2018, 02:28 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Dave W
Trailer: Trillium 4500 - 1976, 1978, 1979, 1300 - 1977, and a 1973
Alberta
Posts: 6,926
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Adams
Rob, based on the picture it looks like you need a new axle. The arms appear to be pointing up when at most they should be perfectly horizontal. Double-check the arm angle to be sure.
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I think that the axle has been placed there temporarily, since that is the top of the frame, on the bumper.
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11-13-2018, 04:08 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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Ya it's turned 90 deg.. The axle is good.. but the hubs are four bolt.. I want to use the 5 on 4.5 13 " rims I have and I have new torsion axles with those hubs..
Here you can see I've added more framing to the rear. This helps support the floor under the table.. and will add support to the main frame at the rear where they always seem to bend a little.
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11-13-2018, 09:38 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Alexander
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1300
New Hampshire
Posts: 1,140
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Rob, in the picture on your blog, the arm with the spindle is angled up towards the frame. That is an indication that the axle is no good. The arm should at the very least be parallel to the frame or pointing downward slightly. Here is a picture from your blog showing the axle mounted to the frame:
A 40 year old Torflex axle would need to be replaced. The rubber in the tube will have hardened. Do a search on the forums about this and you will find all kind of information.
I apologize for taking your photo and putting it here but I am trying to help.
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11-14-2018, 08:40 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,519
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Adams
Rob, in the picture on your blog, the arm with the spindle is angled up towards the frame. That is an indication that the axle is no good. The arm should at the very least be parallel to the frame or pointing downward slightly. Here is a picture from your blog showing the axle mounted to the frame:
Attachment 126099
A 40 year old Torflex axle would need to be replaced. The rubber in the tube will have hardened. Do a search on the forums about this and you will find all kind of information.
I apologize for taking your photo and putting it here but I am trying to help.
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If it is a 13, the initial set of the axle would have beeen 22° UP with another degree or two after break in.
Her's what it would have looked like when new (except the name).
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11-14-2018, 10:22 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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Hmm. The tag is clearly readable on the factory axle. It's a 1200 lb 10 deg Dura Flex. These torsion axles can be used trailing down and rear.. or forward and up. They are either 10 deg or 22.5 deg. NEVER flat. These trailers come from the factory with the arm forward and up 10 deg. This way the cross frame of the axle is tucked behind the lower floor. I have decided not to reuse the old axle.. I have new 2000 lb 22.5 deg. Rockwell axles.. yes two.. a right and a left. They come this way so you can determine your own width. I used these on the Boler frame l built from scratch last year. It does give the trailer a 2.5 " lift. That has worked out be be a benefit. First the hitch height is 14 " which means nothing drags on the ground. Less damage to the underside. And the bumper doesn't hit.
Old axle tag
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11-17-2018, 12:51 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Harold
Trailer: 1975 Scamp, 13-foot
Redding, California
Posts: 390
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Axles
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but since axles are being discussed I thought I would inquire of the members expertise.
I have a 1975 Scamp, 13 foot, and my axle sits at zero angle. I have no idea if it's ever been replaced.
If I jack up the frame I don't see any wheel drop. I was sure I had a dead axle, but my expertise is automotive, not trailers.
I took it to a trailer specialty repair shop that sells Dexter axles. The guy there checked it out, jacking up each side and checking for movement. He said my axle was good, and movement isn't expected on a good axle. If it were bad, he said it would flop up and down. He could have easily sold me an axle, but didn't.
With a car you see movement when the weight of the vehicle loads the springs. Maybe the Scamp isn't heavy enough to load the torsion axle and see movement, or maybe the tech is correct and I'm just paranoid.
I appreciate any thoughts members of the forum may have.
Harold
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11-17-2018, 03:03 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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Zero... that's interesting.. they are usually 10 deg up.. which isn't much.. It's good that there is no play.. but I would get under there with someone in the trailer and they can try to bounce it.. It should move.. just a bit.
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11-17-2018, 03:22 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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Here's my frame work so far.. I know the axle set up looks strange... but that's how I need to build it with those axles.. Where I live I can not get the proper dexter axle.. I wish.. but nope.. And too heavy to ship..
Almost done..
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11-17-2018, 05:56 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Harold
Trailer: 1975 Scamp, 13-foot
Redding, California
Posts: 390
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robeye
Zero... that's interesting.. they are usually 10 deg up.. which isn't much.. It's good that there is no play.. but I would get under there with someone in the trailer and they can try to bounce it.. It should move.. just a bit.
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Thanks, I'll have to try that, and actually measure the angle. I just eyeballed it.
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11-17-2018, 08:23 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,912
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Quote:
Originally Posted by robeye
...These torsion axles can be used trailing down and rear.. or forward and up. They are either 10 deg or 22.5 deg. NEVER flat. These trailers come from the factory with the arm forward and up 10 deg...
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Dexter product specs here indicate rubber torsion axles are available in start angles from 45* down to 22.5* up, including 0* (see p. 2). They are all intended for trailing arm installation. Scamp has used a 22.5* up axle in trailing configuration for many years.
Leading arm installation is a non-standard application. It does necessitate some limitations on the arm angle to prevent "crow hopping" under braking. I'm not sure, but I think old Scamps and Bolers with the leading arm axles were either 0* or 10* down, not up. The tube is higher in this configuration because it is located under the raised dinette floor.
Lots of good information in this thread: Leading Vs. Trailing Arm
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11-18-2018, 11:20 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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Lots of opinions on axles and they're configurations. Both my 73 Boler and now the 79 Scamp / Acorn had the same axle configuration. 10 degree up forward.. axle tucked behind the lower floor. The trailer sits very low this way. But that was intentional .. that's why they tow nice and stable. And the hot rod guys love the look. A 2 inch lift would not change that. But helps keeping frame from making ground contact. So that's what I like... My Boler (with 2 inch lift) made an over 3000 mile trek to the Yukon then to southern BC and back home to Edmonton. Pulled by a 2006 Rav4 no brakes.. no problems.. Keep it simple.. Keep it close to factory, but make it like new. I don't understand how some do a trailing down axle ? when I think of that it adds 6 - 7 inches of lift because now your placing the axle under the lower floor.
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11-18-2018, 11:34 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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Here's a photo that shows clearly the small lift I gained. The old axle is just sitting on the main frame behind the new one. You can see the difference in the angles too.
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11-28-2018, 01:50 PM
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#20
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Senior Member
Name: Rob
Trailer: 1975 Triple E Surfside
Alberta
Posts: 194
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The frame is all done... new tires on the proper rims.. and the height is prefect. 15 " hitch height. 8 .5 " of under trailer clearance. and a 10" step up to enter the trailer.
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