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Old 01-28-2013, 06:21 PM   #43
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:21 AM   #44
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I am in a holding pattern on this rebuild. I am putting epoxy on my new floor board and getting them ready to install. However, I thought I would be able to put them in during the winter. Turns out there are no glues that will work in the temps I am working in.

I thought I would be able to heat up the area during the clamping time of 8 or so hours and then be ok as most of the glues want 50 degrees or more. But I got a little concerned so I called the glue company I planned to use, Titebond III. The told me they need the glue and substrate to be 50 degrees or more for a full 24 hours or longer for the glue to cure properly. I asked about their construction adhesive and was told they don't recommend them in travel trailers.
24 hours would mean running my heater overnight. Something I am not comfortable doing unless I am there. Even then I am not sure it would hold above 50 degrees if the night dropped below 20.

So, I called liquid nails and loctite technical departments. I did not think it would be that big of a deal finding a glue to work in cooler temps.
Liquid nails tells me they do not recommend any of their glues for use in travel trailers.
Loctite was very helpful and recommended their PL Fast grab 8x. They said they need 24-48 hours at 40 degrees or higher. They also let me know that this would work in a travel trailer and if it fully cures it would never fail. It is a polyurethane glue. So, it is likely I will be using it inside.

All the companies said that If I could not hold the temps for a minimum of 24 hours the glues could potentially fail. Titebond pretty much it would fail. The woodworking forums, I belong to, said the same thing.

If this were anything but the floor I might take a chance but a floor failure would be a real pain and not worth the risk. So, I am having to wait to install the floor until I know I can get 50 degrees for 24 hours.

This is definitely a better project for spring or summer. I have no time in the summer.
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Old 10-20-2013, 03:55 PM   #45
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Finally Floor in.

Well after 5 months of working 16 hours day I finally got sometime to work on my Burro. I only have a little time left before it turns cold again so I am rushing to finish everything that is temperature sensitive.I ended up using a Loctite 8x fast grab for my glue. Loctite was good enough to pass me through to their lab and after talking with one of the people there I am confident this glue will hold.

So, I put the pieces in, glued them with the Loctite, and screwed them with 1.25 inch wafer screws. After a few days I went back and it was rock solid.

I used 17 oz fiberglass around the perimeter and filled voids with a thickener called Q cell. Then fiberglassed over the top. it went well. The perimeter took some time but was finished.

Someone here had recommended using a Truck bed lining on the underside. It sounded like a good idea. Someone else recommended Grizzly Grip and after talking to the company I decided that was a good fit. I am really glad I did. The stuff went on smooth. The instructions said thicker is better and since is only good a month or so after mixing I ended up with 4 coats on and the bottom looks great and feels like it will take a beating.

Next we put the shell on the trailer. At first I tried to line up the center of the trailer and the wheel wells but did not like the clearance in the wheel wells. So, I focused just on making the wheel wells and tires equal and left it at that. Yesterday I put 26/ 5/16 SS carriage bolts in the floor and bolted it to the trailer. Lastly I fiberglassed the floor seams.

Here are some picture pre-bolting. I have not been great on getting picture as I have mostly used my cell phone and with the epoxy and everything I was too nervous about my ability to get epoxy on everything in site.

I will get more pictures from here on out as I am almost done with the epoxy.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:47 PM   #46
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Finally Done with my Floor replacement.

Well I did it yesterday. I finished tying the inside walls to the floor, officially finishing my new floor in my Burro.
Tomorrow I take it to a fiberglass shop to fix the minor cracks in the out side and to fix the door threshold where it has numerous cracks from flexing as people got in and out.

Now a question to the moderators. I am not done with my rebuild as I have a laminate floor, new electrical panel, etc. Should I keep all that in this thread or start new threads with each project until completion?

I learn a lot on this forum and would like to give back to others.

Here are some pics of my new floor.
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:30 PM   #47
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Now a question to the moderators. I am not done with my rebuild as I have a laminate floor, new electrical panel, etc. Should I keep all that in this thread or start new threads with each project until completion?
I'm not a moderator Jim.
What I did was create one thread that follows the basics of my restoration through all my projects. From that I linked to the different projects which explains things in greater detail when needed in other threads. Using descriptive titles helps with searches and somewhat tries to keep discussion on topic. All to often off topic discussions surface and are hard to keep at bay. Here is my aggregate thread:
Restoring Our 1972 Boler American

From there, this post:
Restoring Our 1972 Boler American
will give will give you an idea of how I offshoot to the sub thread:
Adding a tongue box

Hope this helps.
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:50 PM   #48
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OK, thanks. I see how you did that. It looks like a good idea, Then people see what they want to see or the whole restore.
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:41 PM   #49
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Burro in a 7' Garage door

I am posting this so other with wide body 14' Burros can go into this with better knowledge than I did.

Yesterday, I spent 6 hours putting my Burro into my garage. It is a single stall door to the garage. Standard, at the time, of a 7' opening. Due to it being a single opening garage door it literally had 1 inch of clearance in either side.

I put the 8" rims on it and let air out of the tires until it looked like it would clear. The problem was due to the low tires it wobbled side to side and I was afraid it hit the sides. So, I took the tires back off and removed the tires from the rims and used just the rims. I like this a lot better as I could maneuver everything by hand. I have no other use for the rims. It made a lot easier to roll and guide.

To clear the door I had to take off the garage door gasket and remove the trim from the top of the trailer. It cleared the door frame by a hairs breath. Unfortunately I thought I would have the same experiences other had by just putting on the 8"tires. So, I ended up working outside in the cold and rain for the 6 hours because failure was not an option. Especially, since I had removed the roof vent because it would not clear with it installed.

I put a heater in the garage just so I could have a heated space to work on this trailer.

I hope this helps give someone else some insight on putting in a garage.
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Old 05-06-2014, 03:05 PM   #50
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Do you have pictures of your 1998 Burro before you replaced the floor? I may have missed this information in a previous post.

I have a 1998 14' wide body Burro as well. But as far as I know, our floor is just fine.
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Old 05-06-2014, 03:16 PM   #51
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If you go to page one of this post you should be able to see what my floor looked like before. It is hard to see how bad the floor was from the pictures but, the discoloration gives an idea of how wet it had been. It was pretty rotted. I am pretty far along now. I had planned to post more but I have been working a lot. Between working and trying to find time to work on the Burro I have not had time to post more pictures or add to this post. If you want more picture just post out here and I will get them up,
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:26 PM   #52
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Jim, how's the restoration coming along? The pics you posted last fall of the floor looked like you did a solid job with it.

I've been following your thread mostly out of envy - I really like the wide body Burros!

Back when I was shopping I kept my eye open for one for quite awhile, but here in the southeast US they seem to be as rare as hen's teeth. I finally gave up and bought a Scamp that was being offered fairly close to home.

Keep up the good work
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I'm sorry, I see the entire thread now. My iPad app is taking some getting used to.
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Old 05-07-2014, 07:34 AM   #54
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Hi Jim! I'd like to hear about your current progress too... especially if you are doing any wiring/rewiring. That's the next step on my standard 13 foot 1983 model. When the PO did the floor (mine is the one with bedliner on inside and outside of floor) he just stubbed off the wiring harness at about the front corner of the cabinet inside. I've just been using temp lights to run it around, but hope to finish the wiring bundle this season.

Also, I've decided to leave out the fridge, at least for now, and make that space a second large cabinet with shelves for cooking utensils, etc. I'm working out of coolers for my perishable foods (and beverages )

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Old 05-07-2014, 10:44 AM   #55
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Great pictorials and accounts of the process, Jim! Watched you cross a couple of annual date lines on this. You deserve an award for persistance.

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Old 05-07-2014, 12:23 PM   #56
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I used to restore cars so I had an idea this would be a long project. I work 14-16 a day in the summer so getting much done then is hard. I ended up working this winter because we had so much snow. I operate a concession in a state park. We rent skis and snowshoes. This winter kept me hopping.

I will try and take some time over the next couple days and post on where I am at. Plus, I have some questions for others. It would be a good time to get those asked.

Thanks for all the interest.
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