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Old 12-01-2008, 01:23 PM   #15
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The weather got warm yesterday (almost 70 degrees) and instead of installing my front clear rock guards (I'm going to wait for really warm summer weather for that as I've worked with this stuff before and it goes on better if it's really warm outside) I decided to get the welding done on the tongue of the Casita to mount the HOnda Gen. I still have to get my TV and Southern Mattress and wire up the portable 165 watt solar panel. I bought an AudioVox 120v/12v TV with DVD player ($217) and the DVD player freezes all the time, so had to send it back for a refund. Going to try a different brand now. For a complete description and pictures, visit my website and click on the last set of pictures titled "Generator Mount."

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We bought a Curtis 15" LCD flat screen TV/DVD(#LCDVD152) yesterday for CDN$200 at Zellers. The 120V power cord has a transformer that converts to 12V (about 40 watt). Hopefully we can plug it directly in to 12v and dispense with the original power cord. I did this with a 7" TV/DVD player in our previous trailer and it worked well. It's nice to have TV when boondocking. Many of the TV's we looked at did not have the 12V feature and few had the built in DVD, so you might have to spend some time looking.
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Old 12-01-2008, 01:40 PM   #16
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Be VERY sure the TV can stand the voltage fluctuations found in 12VDC systems (low battery up to converter charging voltage) -- The TV may have been designed for the adapter world, not the cruel 12VDC world...

Were it me, I'd check with the manufacturer OR put a voltage regulator between it and the Egg electric.
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:10 PM   #17
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Be VERY sure the TV can stand the voltage fluctuations found in 12VDC systems (low battery up to converter charging voltage) -- The TV may have been designed for the adapter world, not the cruel 12VDC world...

Were it me, I'd check with the manufacturer OR put a voltage regulator between it and the Egg electric.
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I have no electronics knowledge. I may well have been lucky to get away with the direct 12V hookup I used in our previous trailer. Now you have me worried that i might not be so lucky this time. Can you explain how to add a regulator?
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Old 12-03-2008, 05:36 PM   #18
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I don't really know how because I've never had the problem, but I know that you might need one -- Likely, Peter H will have some answers (the LED regulators won't support the current needed).

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Old 12-23-2008, 11:54 AM   #19
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Just got off the phone with Casita. They said the additional 50lb weight is too much and will compromise the frame integrity of the tongue, and it could eventually cause failure as it is not designed for that much weight. They stated this is the reason the battery is not located on the tongue. They suggested either removing one LP tank, or else beefing up the frame by welding additional support lengthwise from the hitch point, down through the middle of the trailer frame (underneath the trailer), with appropriate crossmembers. Might be something to consider, especially if you are planning on adding an additional gas tank.....
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I know a lot of people out there put a lot of store in what Casita "engineers" tell them, but I've been a metals-man all my life and former machinist. Mounting the gen next to the ball puts very little stress on the tongue and if they haven't designed the tongue with a safety "fudge" factor built in, then they have way under-designed the tongue. According to MVSS, there should be at least a 50% safety factor built in. If the tongue was designed to carry 400-500 lbs (everybody seems to have a different weight on their SD 17 tongues) then you should be able to add at least 200 lbs to the tongue before fatigue failure. If Casita is only building in a 10% safety factor, we should still be OK. If they aren't building in that much, then their engineers are a bunch of flunkies and they shouldn't be producing ANYTHING. 50 lbs is inconsequential and nobody should worry about it. Think about how much load is transfered when you hit a bad dip at highway speeds. The load increases several hundred percent. At peak design load, could an added 50 lbs cause failure? Yep, it sure could. But what's the odds? I feel safe. Do what makes you feel safe. If we took a poll there are probably more than a handful of owners who have put an extra 50 lbs on the tongue (spare tire, gen, batteries) and is anyone reporting problems? Not that I've seen. By the way, the reason the battery is not on the tongue has nothing to do with the weight. There are a lot of reasons it's inside, 1. it's better protected from theft 2. it's a shorter and more efficient run for the electrical cable (very important on a single-battery camper) 3. it's more cost effective (less wire to buy)
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:05 PM   #20
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I'm not suggesting this setup for anyone else but its worked well for us for over three years and 40K+ miles. Tongue weight on our 16' Scamp with the EU3000, two full propane tanks and the Grp 27 battery is around 400-425 lbs.

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Lon, how's that Southern Mattress setup working our for ya? We live a couple of miles from their factory and had one made back in 04 soon after we bought the Scamp. Living in the Carlsbad area as you do, do you ever get down to the Dog Canyon campground in Guadalupe Mountains NP or any of the Lincoln NF backcountry. You've sure got some beautiful spots to choose from out there.

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excellent mod.. very nice site you have there with all the photos and details.. good job..
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:53 PM   #22
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Al and Cindy,
I love your tongue platform and it proves my point! YOu have a lot more weight there than I do and I'm sure that putting a flat platform on the tongue does little if anything for the rigidity (according to the way Casita says you need to brace it the whole distance with crossmembers from front to rear). No, I have never camped at Dog Canyon, but I've been there lots of times. I haven't tried the mattress yet as it's too cold to camp here right now without worrying about a freezing night, especially in the mountains. We won't use our new camper until this spring or summer probably. I need to at least give it a shake-down cruise before our big trip next Aug or Sept to WI. We are both back to working full-time (bad economy) so our jobs won't permit much camping until vacation time. We love camping all over the state, but with only 2-day weekends, we can't get too far from home. My favorite area is over by Deming and up by T or C.

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your welcome, I'm going to use your site to do the plumping mods on my parents Casita LD
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Old 12-28-2008, 02:32 PM   #24
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lonlawrence, not uncommon for others to slam idea here (hence why I stopped posting mine). Don't sweat it.

Looks great, those Honda's make em nice and small and quiet these days. a little extra weight s nothing, there is more stress with the thing turning and flexing as the things go down the road anyway.

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At one of the recent gatherings, someone used an upside down Rubbermaid style bin to hide the generator. I thought it was very clever. Padlocks on both sides of the handles as a theft deterent. You would never know an expensive generator was underneath. The generator was further locked down with security cables, and more padlocks. I have pictures at home if you are interested. The upside down bin is removed while in use.
We have a 73 Trillium that is going to require painting. I just noted your yellow egg and wondered if there was a way you could send some pictures to me. Is it a pale yellow or a canary yellow? A nice cheery color. As long as it needs painting why do a boring color. LOL. georgiag1[at]aol.com
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Old 01-03-2009, 09:53 AM   #26
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I mounted my generator on the tongue on our Casita, building a box to contain it. (I also tested the Rubbermaid alternative and it works!) I left the second propane tank as I think the extra load is not significant, but removing one of the tanks would nicely offset the gen weight.
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:21 AM   #27
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I mounted my generator on the tongue on our Casita, building a box to contain it. (I also tested the Rubbermaid alternative and it works!) I left the second propane tank as I think the extra load is not significant, but removing one of the tanks would nicely offset the gen weight.
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I like the looks of your white box better than the upside-down rubbermaid (IMHO). What did you make it out of? Did you put aluminum angle along the top edge to fasten a top on it?
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lonlawrence, not uncommon for others to slam idea here (hence why I stopped posting mine). Don't sweat it.

Looks great, those Honda's make em nice and small and quiet these days. a little extra weight s nothing, there is more stress with the thing turning and flexing as the things go down the road anyway.

Kurt and Phil,
I loved your website pictures. You both have some good tales to tell.
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