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Old 09-23-2006, 02:01 PM   #1
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I have never like rivets at all and had great fun drilling them all (almost all) out of my Scamp. Zip-pink, zip-pink. I had a bucket full of the little devils. I hoped I could find a better way--better looking, better stronger, not rustable...better. I ran across these "Thermoplastic Rivets" in the hardware store. They are just like the regular ones, but hard plastic and larger. The smallest size is 3/4". In one store, a bag of 100 cost $21. Another store, same bag $14. Anyone have experience with these little puppies? Thanks
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Old 09-23-2006, 05:24 PM   #2
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I ran across these "Thermoplastic Rivets" in the hardware store.
These? Did you intend to put in a link? Any comment anyone makes is likely to be inaccurate without seeing the particular rivets.

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Old 09-23-2006, 06:15 PM   #3
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These? Did you intend to put in a link? Any comment anyone makes is likely to be inaccurate without seeing the particular rivets.

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Plastic rivets with time become brittle & break. The best rivet replcement is ss bolts.

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Old 09-23-2006, 08:52 PM   #4
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These? Did you intend to put in a link? Any comment anyone makes is likely to be inaccurate without seeing the particular rivets.

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Sorry, I've been away for awhile. The product is called Sequentia Structoglas FRP Drive Rivets. It's a rivet. It looks like a rivet. It is made of high impact thermoplastic. They are used to attach FG panels and wall fixtures. They are used to attach sheathing to metal, etc. I thought might be good for attaching floor to frame. Cabinets to FG., etc. I'll learn to link...I promise.
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Old 09-23-2006, 10:34 PM   #5
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Nylon Drive Rivets

These are installed by hammering the pin IN.
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Old 09-23-2006, 11:11 PM   #6
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They must look rather ugly on the inside. I like ss bolts and acorn nuts.
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Old 09-23-2006, 11:13 PM   #7
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My curiosity got the better of me...a little google excursion found these.

Thermoplastic Rivets

Could be quite interesting for Fiberglass Trailer applications in areas where the stress levels were not too great.

I will leave it to some of the engineering members to compare the pull and shear numbers to the aluminum rivets.

On looking over the information on the web a little closer, I see the Canadian Distributor is only about 4 or 5 Miles from my house. I'll try and drop by next week and see if I can get some samples for testing
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Old 09-24-2006, 08:52 AM   #8
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My curiosity got the better of me...a little google excursion found these.

Thermoplastic Rivets

Could be quite interesting for Fiberglass Trailer applications in areas where the stress levels were not too great.

I will leave it to some of the engineering members to compare the pull and shear numbers to the aluminum rivets.

On looking over the information on the web a little closer, I see the Canadian Distributor is only about 4 or 5 Miles from my house. I'll try and drop by next week and see if I can get some samples for testing
Thanks, Charlie. I thought they might be worth a look. Another supplier is http://www.Nudo.com/rivets They have photos, etc. I am always interested in new or different ways to tackle old problems. Contrary to some folks, I usually have the attitude that ANY change is bound to be an improvement. Gets me into alot of trouble.
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Old 09-24-2006, 03:14 PM   #9
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Any items made of plastic, and I don't care what kind it is of the 4,000 main families and 24,000 derivatives, when exposed to Ultra Violet light from the sun, will eventually detoriate and then become brittle and then desintegrate.
Enough said?
Go stainless steel when ever possible.
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Old 09-24-2006, 06:41 PM   #10
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When the fiberglass TT body becomes stressed during an emergency manuever or a rough road or even a good sized pot-hole where is the "weak link"? With aluminum pop-rivets, the fiberglass generally proves stronger and the repair only requires replacing the rivet. Using a bolt will require a much more involved repair of the fiberglass, particularly if the cracks are deeper than surface stress cracks. Stress tests of plastic rivets used with fiberglass will need to be published to convince me to change. The issue of UV deterioration might be addressed by including an ingredient in the plastic formula which would counteract the problem (possibly lamp-black). Painting or caulking the head of the rivet could also be the answer and may even be a requirement to prevent moisture from seeping in along the stem.
In my youth, I always attempted to make things stronger, assuming stronger was better. As I've added a few years I've discovered that axiom isn't necessarily true. Among many other examples, automobiles are designed with "crush zones". Not for the purpose of making the manufacturers rich by boosting the number of parts required for repair, but to protect the occupants so they don't have to be repaired. It became smarter for the car to be the "weak-link" than the human being riding inside.

Please consider all the ramifications of your decisions before starting in a direction which may not allow you to go back to the starting point. Come to think of it, that advice is appropriate for nearly all aspects of one's life.

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Old 09-24-2006, 08:41 PM   #13
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Seems that these thermoplastic rivets are for a very light duty application judging from their blurb....I wouldn`t be the one trying to hang up the overhead cabinets with them unless the trailer was going to be a static display and the cabinets empty.....also not the prettiest looking pieces when compressed......I`ll stick with my SS machine screws and SS acorn nuts for interior trim... ..I had small stress cracks under my aluminum rivets in my 13' Boler and in the 4 years since I switched to machine screws, the stress cracks haven`t noticeably changed .......and they could have been originally caused by loose stretched aluminum Pop rivets wiggling around in the holes while trailering.......Benny
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I'm going to agree with Kurt on this issue. The only SS bolts on my trailer are the ones I just added to hold the Horizon Case Awning. The problem was needing to cut the insulation and the rat fur to get to the shell so I could put the nylon lock acorn nut on (plus I added 1-1/2" fender washers.) For this particular application, I think the bolts/nuts was the best answer, but for nearly everything else, I'd prefer to use rivets, also for the reason Kurt mentioned. I'd rather replace a rivet now and then, than fix fiberglass.
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