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Old 08-21-2018, 10:47 PM   #21
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After experimenting with a few different ways to have curtains in my Scamp without holes through the shell for rod holders, I have settled on using curtain tracks and ditching the curtain rods. I have used two type of tracks however there are many ways to utilize these or similar curtain tracks. I am very happy with the hardware, even with the added cost which is more than using cheesy rods and rod holders. The curtains themselves are OK but would have been better if I knew then what I know now.

Track Option 1

For the rear side windows (where I have overhead cabinets), I used RECMAR 4108 Bendable I Beam Curtain Track with rollers. Hooks on the curtains attach to the rollers. This track can be bent by hand and I formed it so that it follows the curve of the cabinet and shell. It is mounted to the underside of the cabinet with matching clips which were riveted to the cabinet. The track is mounted just far enough from the wall so that the curtain clears the top of the window frame. I extended the track at the rear to almost the edge of the upper cabinet so that the entire curtain can be moved to the back corner curve in the camper, leaving the view through the window completed unobstructed. I also added a curve toward the wall at the front so that the curtain’s front vertical edge is closer to the wall and maximizes privacy.

This type of track and carrier work too smoothly – they will not keep the curtains in place and I have to attach the hooks on both ends of the curtains to the end-stops on the tracks to get the curtain to stay over the window. That means I have to loosen one or both end-stops and slide them to different positions for the curtain to be fully open vs. closed. It’s not much of a problem but do note that these tracks and carriers are used more often for things like full length privacy curtains in hospitals. Also be aware of a possible fire hazard from the reading lights, if they use incandescent bulbs and are pointed to the wall. It might be too close to the curtains when they are bunched up in the corner.

Track Option 2

For the rear window I used RECMAR 3296 Aluminum Curtain Track and snap carriers that ride inside the track. It is mounted with Gorilla Mounting Tape on the Hehr window frames which protrude about an inch inside the camper. I expect that VHB tape would also work but frankly I have used both the Gorilla tape and VHB tapes in my camper and had better luck with the former. This curtain track has now been installed for two months, including a 3,389 mile trip throughout more than the entire month of July and it is still rock-solid. Because of the curve in the body of the camper, the track cannot extend very far past the edge of the rear window (but can if used on the side windows). Therefore the curtains will still block the edges of the windows. I cut a taper in the track to get as much length as possible while still mounting the track on the window frame and not making it weaker. I also have the option to push both curtains to the left, leaving the window unobstructed on the right side where it can be opened. Compatible end-stops finish up the installation for both options.

These internal slide carriers with snap connectors do hold the curtains in place. There is just enough resistance to do that, while still allowing one to easily slide the small curtains. I tried using four sets of magnets to hold the bottom to the wall better. Four magnets are mounted to the window frame (again with Gorilla mounting tape). I just put the other four on top of the curtains over the mounted ones but they could have been sown into pockets on the curtains. That worked OK but another option is to mount a second track on the bottom of the window frame, mirroring the top track with snap tape on the curtain at the bottom. I might give that a try someday but note that one would have to measure it very carefully.

Curtains

The curtains were made from Sunbrella Marine Grade fabric with Roc-lon® liner. They are a vast improvement over the very cheap curtains that come with a Scamp but I have concluded that I could have done a better job making them up, primarily by making them wider and perhaps using lighter material in place of the Sunbrella. For attaching the curtains I used tapes that are sewn into the curtains. For the side curtains, Shirring Tape is sewn onto the curtains and then hooks attach to loops in the tape and to the sliding carriers. For the rear window curtain I used “snap tape” which has snaps that mate to the slide carriers.

Summary

In my opinion using curtain tracks is the way to go and a much better option that trying to mount curtain rods in a Scamp or similar camper. Having fewer rivets trough the shell is an added benefit. There are many options in materials and different ways to plan and implement their use. It is worth spending a good amount of time planning, if for no other reason than if ordering from the same source that I used, then the shipping charge for the tracks is expensive and its best to get everything you need at one time. Actually construction of the curtains should be simple enough, but not for me! There is actually a lot to learn about curtains and drape and maybe I will hire the job out if I decide to replace what I have now.
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In a Casita there are cabinets over all the windows for storage so I used 2 Command hooks with the hook part that moves and suck them to the bottom of the cabinets up against the wall. One at each end of the window. With the hook hanging down I put a rod in the hooks and used a white twist tie to hold the rod from moving after I put the curtains on the rods. I can use any curtain I want to since they slide over the rod or you could use the sew on curtain rings if you wanted to. Cheap, quick, easy, removeable any time I want to. Kept blinds in place also.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:35 AM   #22
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Very nice post!
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:22 AM   #23
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Great post, Gordon. When we had our Scamp, I found cordless vinyl blinds at Home Depot. They don't seem to have them any more, but I found the equivalent here: https://www.overstock.ca/Home-Garden...SU&searchidx=2
I liked the blinds as they could be easily removed and cleaned and they eliminated another source of allergens. For travel, we raised them and had little bungy wraps at each end that kept them in place.
To mount, since I only needed a couple of spots to mount each blind, I used the screws in the rear window itself to mount the blind clamps and did the same on the windows on either end of the fold down bed. On the dinette side, I mounted them underneath the cupboard at each end. Had we kept the trailer, I probably would have moved that one, as it was too far away from the window and let a little light in at the edges.
For the door window, I picked up some semi-opaque adhesive mylar window trim from a local hardware store and fit it to size with an X-acto knife. It was a tricky job to get right, but it ended up looking very nice and eliminated the annoying mounting fixtures on the door.
Once done, I removed the unnecessary rivets and fiberglassed over all of the exterior holes. We were on a path to try and eliminate all rivets to reduce the possibility of leakage.
Now with our Bigfoot, we have the honeycomb 2 way blinds, which we like even better.
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Old 08-24-2018, 10:26 AM   #24
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For the door window, I picked up some semi-opaque adhesive mylar window trim from a local hardware store ...
I did the same with the kitchen window, so it more or less matched the privacy glass in the stove side window. It has held up just fine for almost three years and still counting. I also used some in my home and its good there too. Source: D-C-Fix on Amazon.. recommended!.
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Old 08-29-2018, 11:53 AM   #25
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It looks really good. I especially like the extension. My trailer came with shades that are screwed into the clamping ring so the option is there if needed.
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I went the same shade route as well with sunblock. Ordered them from Home Depot. And used Disc Countersunk Hole Magnets about the same size as a dime to hold the bottom close to the window that I found online. Everything screwed into the the window frame.
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Old 08-29-2018, 12:34 PM   #26
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For the door window, I picked up some semi-opaque adhesive mylar window trim from a local hardware store and fit it to size with an X-acto knife. It was a tricky job to get right, but it ended up looking very nice and eliminated the annoying mounting fixtures on the door. ....
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I did the same with the kitchen window, so it more or less matched the privacy glass in the stove side window. It has held up just fine for almost three years and still counting. I also used some in my home and its good there too. Source: D-C-Fix on Amazon.. recommended!.
A note for anyone ordering a new Scamp:

This week I heard from someone who asked Scamp to install the window with privacy glass on the kitchen side, same as the stove side, on a 16 footer. Its the same window - only the glass is different. They did accommodate this request.

I find that preferable to having curtains over the sink, although it still lets in light when you campground neighbor 20 feet away keeps all his outdoor lights on all night.
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Old 08-29-2018, 12:42 PM   #27
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A note for anyone ordering a new Scamp:

This week I heard from someone who asked Scamp to install the window with privacy glass on the kitchen side, same as the stove side, on a 16 footer. Its the same window - only the glass is different. They did accommodate this request.

I find that preferable to having curtains over the sink, although it still lets in light when you campground neighbor 20 feet away keeps all his outdoor lights on all night.
I put a film on the kitchen and shower windows (stain glass pattern). Has held up well. You can also use a frosted spray paint.
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Old 08-23-2020, 08:39 AM   #28
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Hi Gordon,


This track style curtain is exactly the way I want to go. Can you tell me how long our gorilla mounting tape held up? We have a Casita so screwing into the window frame is an option but I am curious about the tape.


Thanks for the excellent description and pics.



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Old 08-24-2020, 08:30 AM   #29
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I put a film on the kitchen and shower windows (stain glass pattern). Has held up well. You can also use a frosted spray paint.
I used "Stained glass" window film on the glass window. Got it from here. Its been on the glass for about 5 years.

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.. Can you tell me how long our gorilla mounting tape held up? ...
A little over two years and counting.
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Old 09-02-2020, 01:15 PM   #30
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I can't have the curtain hang. I'm too long in the trailer and the curtains would be in my face or tangled in my pillow. I just used blackout material and velcro. I made a cover for the fantastic fan as well as a partial shade for the escape hatch. I can blackout the trailer if I'm in a bright spot.

By keeping the curtains snug to the window the one over the dinette doesn't hang over the table. The velco allows me to hang the curtains several different ways to allow light in or not.
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Old 09-09-2020, 11:04 AM   #31
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I used these in my camper. They are pretty cheap at Ikea and bend easy

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/vidga-s...hite-70299153/
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