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Old 12-29-2009, 12:57 PM   #1
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Has anyone installed double pane windows in your fiberglass trailer? If so, what company did you order from? What did you use to frame the windows since the insulated windows are designed to be used with much thicker walls? Thanks

Nights down in single digits and teens without an electric hookup can be a tad uncomfortable if it is windy followed by days with overcast skies. And then there is all the condensation with two catalytic heaters.

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Old 12-29-2009, 02:49 PM   #2
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I would love to put double pane windows on the Burro. I hope you get some answers on this one.

Did you try to crack the roof vent? I seems to cut down on the condensation.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:56 PM   #3
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I'd recommend you contact the good folks at Escape Trailers (http://escapetrailer.com/). They offer double pane windows as an option on their products, and I'm sure they'd give you the contact info for their supplier.

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Old 12-29-2009, 05:41 PM   #4
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Always have the range vent pried open with a clothespin and a window by my head where I sleep open a bit. Don't want to crack the roof vents (winterized) since there is so little heat in the trailer as is in these conditions. Remember it is only a problem when the temps are in the single digits and teens and I'm off the grid. 20s seem downright toasty so I can get by with a 3000 BTU Wave. Catalytic heaters put WAY too much moisture into the air. Anyway, back to double pane windows.

I'll check with Escape, thanks.

This is why I generally get electric hookups for 2 or 3 months in the winter (2 more nights with 120V and that might do it for this winter) and run a ceramic heater. The joys of being a perpetual camper and confirmed nomad. Snowed 3" here last night and I'm presently in southern NM. Suppose to warm up to 40s tomorrow. That would be good since I plan to pull my rig over a mountain (past a small ski resort) as I head over towards Silver City for a couple weeks of dry camping. Summer's coming. Maybe it will be here soon.
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:19 PM   #5
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If I am not mistaken, I believe this company were the supliers of windows to Bigfoot trailers.

http://www.sunviewindustries.ca/
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:58 PM   #6
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These guys also make RV windows:
http://www.hehr-international.com/
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:35 AM   #7
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Sebastian, this isn't about windows, but have you looked at the vented catalytic heaters? They are very pricey, but are supposed to vent the moisture produced by the heater to the outside. That might help with your extreme condensation problems.

http://www.ventedcatheater.com/

BTW, I follow your blog and appreciate your sharing your adventures with Meadow and Onyx with us.

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Old 12-30-2009, 12:15 PM   #8
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Sebastian, this isn't about windows, but have you looked at the vented catalytic heaters? They are very pricey, but are supposed to vent the moisture produced by the heater to the outside. That might help with your extreme condensation problems.

http://www.ventedcatheater.com/

BTW, I follow your blog and appreciate your sharing your adventures with Meadow and Onyx with us.
Sharon, That looks like a wonderful new product. I hope they'll be showing it at the Tampa RV SuperShow. I'd like to see one. I've always been uncomfortable with the idea of cat heaters vented to the inside, and drawing oxygen from the inside.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:35 PM   #9
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I find it interesting that you are still with us.

ALL combustion processes take a fuel, combine it with oxygen and produce carbon dioxide and water vapor. If there is insufficient oxygen present, the combustion process continues because of the elevated heat of the components but now it produces a dangerous gas, carbon monoxide. Carbon monoxide is an unstable, active gas that wants to be carbon dioxide, the stable form, so what it does is steal oxygen from where ever it can. If it is inhaled, it will actually remove oxygen from the body/bloodstream effectively suffocating whoever inhales it.

I would not have any combustion process in an enclosed space without proper venting.

http://www.rverscorner.com/catalytic.html

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Old 12-30-2009, 11:46 PM   #10
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Roger, I'm guessing Sebastian is away from internet access right now, so I'll mention that he blogged about his heater using up so much oxygen that his Bic lighter and a candle wouldn't light one morning.

So he is definitely aware of the need for ventilation. But boondocking in single digits and the teens, and trying to stay warm AND beat the condensation sounds like a huge challenge.

(Sorry to talk about you in the third person, Sebastian. I hope you find a good solution to the problem.)



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I find it interesting that you are still with us.

ALL combustion processes take a fuel, combine it with oxygen and produce carbon dioxide and water vapor. If there is insufficient oxygen present, the combustion process continues because of the elevated heat of the components but now it produces a dangerous gas, carbon monoxide. Carbon monoxide is an unstable, active gas that wants to be carbon dioxide, the stable form, so what it does is steal oxygen from where ever it can. If it is inhaled, it will actually remove oxygen from the body/bloodstream effectively suffocating whoever inhales it.

I would not have any combustion process in an enclosed space without proper venting.

http://www.rverscorner.com/catalytic.html

Happy New Year and be safe out there.
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Just wanted to thank Brian for sending me a link to a thread where the vented cat has already been discussed.

http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/in...howtopic=26522

It seems that it might not be as effective against condensation as I had hoped.
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Old 01-01-2010, 07:17 PM   #12
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I'm going to mention a possible alternative (or interim) solution based on living in cabins up north with single pane windows, a woodstove, and temps that were commonly below zero (yes, those are always the nights with howling winds too...).

I used those 3M window plastic kits where you put double faced tape (comes with the kit) around the window perimeter, stick plastic to it stretched reasonably tightly, then use a hairdryer or heat gun to shrink it taut. When I was done they were tight as a drum and nearly invisible. I've had friends come over who knew I was going to put it up, and they commented "Oh, you didn't get to the windows today." "No, the plastic is on; it's just hard to see!"

On windows with mini-blinds, I just put a small square of clear packing tape over the area where the tilt-wand was going to come through, then poked a very small hole there.

The plastic makes a great double pane window and blocks all draft (this is key). I have spent cold winter nights sitting next to the window (unheard of before) with the plastic bulging from the wind. It really works amazingly well.

Another benefit for a trailer is that they are virtually weightless.

I don't know if your cats might claw them, but I've had them in cat households without trouble, so it depends on the cat, I guess. One good thing is it only costs you about $15 to try it (I buy the "5 window" kit and cut to size for numerous windows).

I've seen kits from other brands, but have stuck with the 3M and been very happy with them.

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Carbon monoxide is an unstable, active gas that wants to be carbon dioxide, the stable form, so what it does is steal oxygen from where ever it can. If it is inhaled, it will actually remove oxygen from the body/bloodstream effectively suffocating whoever inhales it.
This is really a quite inaccurate description both of Carbon Monoxide and the reason it is toxic. Although the bond structure appears to vary - it's wrong to describe it as "unstable" - it is not "stealing oxygen" out of the blood in any way shape or form in order to convert itself to carbon dioxide.

The problem lies with the chemistry of the oxygen carrying proteins of the body (primarily hemoglobin). Hemoglobin binds O2 in the lungs and carries it to the cells. Problem is that hemoglobin ALSO can bind carbon monoxide. In fact, it binds CO far tighter than it binds O2. The old story was that CO blocked all the hemoglobins in the blood - thus removing it's oxygen carrying potential. More recent version suggests that the binding of a single CO onto the protein (each has 4 binding sites for O2 or CO) causes the remaining binding sites to fail to release their O2 to the cells.

In short: CO and O2 compete with each other for binding to hemoglobin. CO wins. Cells don't get any Oxygen. You lose. Plenty of Oxygen around in the blood - just doesn't get to the cells.
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Just wanted to thank Brian for sending me a link to a thread where the vented cat has already been discussed.

http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/in...howtopic=26522

It seems that it might not be as effective against condensation as I had hoped.
Sharon, Brian sent me the same links, and I did a little more research. I'd agree with you and Brian, the vented catalytic heater is neither the innovative nor totally safe product we'd like to see.

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